The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”
Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.
Um, they’ve been for the past few years. Fuck’s sake Im having a hard time figuring out who the dumbest assholes in this war are.
Which war? Ukraine/Russia? Or israels dick and America’s mouth vs Iran? Or is this turning into one war now? It’s so very confusing at this point.
Right and who was or again supplying Russia with drones all this time… ah right
Some competitions end in draws.
10+ years of war here we go…
Cool beans. Hey Ukraine, after you’re done with Russia, feel free to target Iran now that they said the quiet part out loud.
Canada not beating the allegations
Do you think they’ll ever be done with Russia?
Russia has lost over 1 million soldiers. Before the war they were already facing the consequences of years of low birth rate and very low immigration. Add to that before the war their economy was 80% of the Canadian economy with over 100 million more people. Low productivity, combined with population crunch, combined with resources wasted on war, combined with low immigration and no chance to improve that leads to economic collapse.
Russia has lost over 1 million soldiers
Wow, don’t you mean 1 billion soldiers, you Russian bot?
You are an idiot if you believe numbers given by each sides in wars
Correct. Over time that amounts to a lot. If Russia hadn’t used zerg rush tactics for more than a century, their population would be far more than the roughly 140 million they have now. The economic and scientific difference between what could have been and what is, is astronomical.
No it was 6 million. No one talks about the Russian Holocaust 😔
Hmmm, I wonder how Ukraine ever managed to become so proficient in shooting down Iranian drones, years before anyone else?
Ukraine is sending soldiers with their drones.
Don’t ask how Iranian soldiers died in Ukraine in 2022 during a drone strike on a Russian position launching Shaheds
Is this like the very true ukrainian reports of North Koreans burning their own face off to be unrecognizable?
And then left their immaculate North Korean documents they for some reason decided to take into battle intact?
Ah good times, I remember how much I laughed.To be clear, the DPRK did send troops, just to help with Kursk.
Yes but we know that’s in Russia not ex-ukraine.
Yes, just wanted to make it clear in case anyone thought you were denying any presence of the DPRK in the broader war.
You’re sourcing Ukrainian security officials speaking to the Jerusalem Post and KAN. Besides the fact that this information is unverifiable, you’re reinforcing Iranian media’s point here.
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start proxy war by overthrowing a nation’s government with Nazis
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spread disinformation to bilk people on donations and investments
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things don’t go particularly well
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demanding surrender from the country winning the war fails because you accidentally beat the liberalism out of their liberals
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gamble away, with your losses taken by credulous rubes
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region is economically devastated, depopulated, Russia has one less developing country to trade with Chinese-style
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bask in the glory of being on top
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start losing a new war
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remove sanctions on Russia to weather the storm
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[the wild and mysterious future, who can guess?]
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- 2007: Ukraine join the sanctions on Iran because of the peaceful nuclear program along the west that never stopped
- Russia attacks Ukraine
- Russia needs support
- Iran who was forced into Russia arms by the EU idiots accept
- Russia starts using Iranian drones
- Ukraine gets good at destroying Iranian drones
- PedOTUS picks a fight with Iranians
- Iranians launch drone strike at half-assed US base
- PedOTUS asks Ukraine for support fighting drones
- Ukraine agrees and meet the traitor son of the Shah the butcher who is going to be as bad as the regime
- Iranians decide that makes Ukraine a valid target
Ukraine is sending neither drones nor soldiers inside of Iran.
Thousands of Iranian drones have landed into Ukrainian soil, though.
Also are you telling me the Iranians sent the drones to Russia and just sent them flight instructions printed on an A4 paper instead of Iranian instructors…?
Ukrainian soldiers are operating the drones to defend the genocidal ethnostate and the US bases bombing Iran. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.
Ironically Ukraine is sending soldiers and interceptors from their own frontlines. Guess they don’t need them more than Netanyahu.
A reasonable person would assume that Ukraine sending small teams over is meant to encourage, or pay back favours in terms of support in their defence against a forgein invading genocidal ethnostate. On top of wanting to help deal with Iran seeing as Iranian drones have been bombing them for years now.
So what exactly is ironic? It’s very much in their best interest that Iran can no longer supply Russia with drones.
Iran no longer provide drones to Russis and ukraine is joining Israel who want another genocide in Iran. When are you going to call for bombing China?
Obviously not, they’re busy sending whatever they have at various military bases around the region.
I’m not going to argue against Israel wanting a genocide in Iran. I agree, they do want a genocide. I agree, it is bad.
What Ukraine is doing is offering their knowledge in drone interception. Seeing as they have years of experience when it comes to intercepting Iranian shahed drones.
Probably hoping to get some additional support when/if the war in Iran ends.
Why would I call for bombings in China? When have called for bombing anywhere? Please let me know. Because I can not recall doing it even once.
The Russian Federation is not an ethnostate lmao
a forgein invading genocidal ethnostate.
Liberals aren’t even pretending to think words mean things anymore
Sure, let’s begin with the major events
The Circassian Genocide (1863–1878)
Decossackization (1919-1920s)
Holodomor (1930–1938)
Kazakh Famine (1931–1933)
The Polish Operation (1937–1938)
Then you have the deportation of entire ethnic groups such as
Crimean Tatars (1944)
Chechens and Ingush (1944)
You have partial mass deportations such as in the baltics in the 1950s
The next major event comes in the first and second Chechen wars (1994-1996 and 1999-2009)
And then you have the obvious present day war in Ukraine. With ethnic minorities facing disproportionate conscriptions and sent to the front.
Now that’s a lot of effort to reduce and relocate ethnic minorities! Almost as if we have a pattern of it dating back more than 100 years.
Just a few questions.
Why do you sesperate the “holodomor” from the Kazakh famine? It was the same famine, it also affected western Russia.
Why do you condemn the soviets retaking Ukrainian and Lithuanian land (that had only recently been lost) after the Polish government already fell? Not to mind the fact it slowed the Nazi advance and likely saved thousands at least.
Lol. Not beating the “doesn’t think words mean anything” accusations.
You can’t use the term genocidal ethnostate for any country you don’t like. Pick up a dictionary, mate.
They saw it used to describe Israel and assumed its just a synonym for “bad”, because they have the political understanding of a 12 year old
Sure, so that ethnic minorities in Russia have faced disproportionat military conscriptions and sent to the front as meat waves are just coincidence then.
Ethnostates, known for their large number of ethnic minorities
Iranian soldiers operated the drones sent by a demand of a genocidal ethnostate to bomb Ukraine. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.
Now, because of involvement of these chaps, Ukraine has a technology that is in high demand in the world, for whatever reason. It’s very single cellular to assume that the technology is not scalable, and that literally every person who can be involved in scaling of a technology must be digging trench somewhere in Donetsk.
When did you decide you would just say things, meaning be damned?
Talking about a genocidal ethnostate is pretty rich in a thread defending Israel and its allies
Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.
But it’s they are not the only one committing genocide, and your mates from around here are making it very weird turning people suffering into genocide Olympics.
Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.
Okay, so we can agree that Israel and the US are evil.
So. What does it say about Ukraine that they are on the same side?
Zelensky supports nazis and child fukers and child killers. Means in retrograde it was a right choice by Iran
ethnostate
Zelensky is a zionist
So I guess genocide is ok? Wow that down, you pedigree chum.
Ukraine isn’t being genocided. Only the regime is being changed.
The only genocide happening is in Gaza and now Lebanon.
Russia is not a genocidal ethnostate. Go look at the percentage of civilian casualties in the Ukraine war and the percentage in Gaza and then learn what terms mean. Russia does commit “war crimes” (whatever that word means nowadays) but they are most certainly not committing genocide.
Well they have been force-adopting ukranian chilfren into Russia, no? I am sure i read something about that. Not as cruel but still genocide i guess?
Keep children in a safe place during war is much better than keeping them among military targets and bombing them.
Not really, that was a hoax, Russia asked Ukraine for list of names, Ukraine provided 339 names of which 166 was immediately found living with their parents in Germany. And even if we assume all the rest are really unaccounted for, this only points how low civilian losses are in that war, something unthinkable looking at American or Israeli wars.
Funny that you think the Ukrainian startup model is scalable. Neither is the USonian drone program. Iran could kill every US soldier allegedly being deployed with a single drone each and it wouldn’t even cut into their stockpile.
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Why are you complaining about communists on a community known to have a lot of communists? Secondly, Ukraine sanctioned Iran and has been assisting with western attempts to strangle Iran for decades.
The constant attempts to intentionally conflate communism and tankism is insidious.
“Tankism” isn’t an ideology, communism is. “Tankie” is just a pejorative for communist.
For the third time in this thread I will go ahead and correct your intentional misinformation campaign.
Tankie is a pejorative for auth communists.
You’re insidiously trying to act as if this is the red scare 2.0. There’s a reason we call you tankies. It’s because you’re tankies.
There’s a reason we call you tankies. It’s because you’re tankies.
“I’m right because I’m right!”
Very compelling
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I mean, I pretty clearly defined the difference between tankies and communists.
“Im right because it’s clear I’m right!”
I’m sorry you’re not compelled by basic reasoning skills and are unable to differentiate two things when they are laid out in front of you as categorically different and the definition is given. Idk. Skill issue.
Lol, go back to reddit you fucking nerd. Talking like an anime villain written by Joss Wheadon isn’t actually a compelling argument past 12 years old
You are illiterate.
What does “authoritarian” mean, in your words? If the overwhelming majority of communists support socialist states, isn’t that just being a communist? I support the working class having the authority of the state to suppress capitalists and fascists, and I am against the capitalist class having that authority. I’m also for a democratically run society. What separates my views from what you believe a “non-authoritarian communist” believes?
Lmao. You know very well that the idea of stateless communism exists, so no. The overwhelming majority of self-described communists support socialist states? According to who? Polling from CPUSA? Your interpersonal relationships? There are plenty of leftists on lemmy who would call themselves anarchosocialist or anarchocommunist. But okay, sure, I kinda get the idea behind “well if the majority agrees that a socialist state is required for communism, doesn’t that just make it communism?”. But these people are ALSO sometimes communist. Tankie is a pejorative mostly used by leftists to punch right, not by liberals to punch left. That’s been what I’ve seen. Liberals don’t even know what the fuck a tankie is outside of lemmy. Liberals here just use it because actual leftists use it to punch right at auth commies.
Don’t joke with me. You know the material difference between a state imposing law on sometimes unwilling citizens and people that live harmoniously in good will with one another.
Lmao. You know very well that the idea of stateless communism exists, so no
Communism is stateless, but it can only come about post-socialism, which has a state. You cannot skip from capitalism to communism.
The overwhelming majority of self-described communists support socialist states? According to who? Polling from CPUSA?
The CPC alone has over 100 million members, and communist orgs around the globe are most commonly Marxist-Leninist. This includes the Black Panther Party, which supported the DPRK and sent people to learn from the WPK and CPC:
There are plenty of leftists on lemmy who would call themselves anarchosocialist or anarchocommunist.
We aren’t talking about anarchism.
Tankie is a pejorative mostly used by leftists to punch right, not by liberals to punch left.
I’ve only ever seen it used by liberals or anarchists, and never to punch right but to punch left.
Don’t joke with me. You know the material difference between a state imposing law on sometimes unwilling citizens and people that live harmoniously in good will with one another.
Is your point that any state with laws is authoritarian? I’d agree, which is why it’s better for the working classes to control the state as they do in socialist countries so that we can collectivize all production and distribution to erase the material basis of the state for good.
“tankism” lol
Go ahead, elaborate on the lol.
I’m not the one coining ridiculous terms to smear people
Yeah, I coined tankism, for sure. What’s so ridiculous about it? Go ahead.
Edit: “when asked to commit to just a smidgen of intellectual honesty, i would rather downvote”
It’s ridiculous because “tankie” isn’t an ideology, at best “tankism” is a pejorative for communist ideology the way “tankie” is a pejorative for communists.
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Ukraine started the hostilities in 2007. Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people
They restricted nuclear technologies exports in 2007. A bit different than helping repeatedly bomb housing and hospitals
Ukraine has a civilian nuclear program; why can’t Iran have one? The sanctions also include the missile program, which denies Iran the right to improve its army for defense and restricts dual-use materials, affecting civilian projects as well. Trading with Israel also helps Israel kill people throughout the region.
Furthermore, without the West making itself the enemy of Iran, Russia would never have acquired Shahed technology. By continuing to be stubborn, the West ensures Iran will get even closer to Russia, not the opposite.
What I am advocating for is the renormalization of relations with Iran to limit Russian power; what you are suggesting is vengeance that will only hurt Ukraine, not Russia. With a vengeance mentality, one could justify First Nations in Canada helping to murder the descendants of settlers, or Africa assisting in the murder of civilians from former colonial powers.
ANDDD…
Iranian drones blowing-up Ukraina didn’t make Ukraina designate Iran as a legitimate war-target??
Iran ought now be a legit Ukrainian target, if that’s Iran’s position.
Ukraina’s selling defensive drones, not assault ones, from what I’ve been seeing.
This is mere ideological-convenience/gaslighting, not accuracy-of-view.
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Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people. Zelensky want to save isrsel and the usa who do not only want to end the ergime but also commit gaza line genocide
Zelensky fan who is somehow unaware he has been begging to make himself useful to Israel in this war is a funny concept
Ukraine would be quite happy is other countries just got off it’s land!
Eastern ukraine would’ve been quite happy if US backed proxies wouldn’t have bombed them since 2014.
Oh, I bet it will go swimmingly for Iran to attack Ukraine. Don’t they have all their oil infrastructure concentrated on one island? Ukraine has been very effective in hitting Russian oil facilities.
Also, if anything, Iran has been involved in Russia’s unjustified invasion into Ukraine, by giving Russia access to the Shahed drones to support the mentioned invasion.
Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people.
So sanctions warrant military strikes? Someone better let the UN know.
What do these institutions ever do?
Where are they based and who do they serve?
The german mellonhead, the Fin nazi cunt and plenty other EU vassals of the USSA said international law doesn’t matter anymore.
This while these awful monsters already had bombed the girls school.That is your rules based order you support.
Sanctions are siege warfare.
Sanctions makes regular iranian suffer. To minimize the suffer Iran has to find allies. Iran was forced into russian and chinese arms it is a fact. Do you also think all those countries who protected Israel occupation for 7 decades make them legimate target to palestinians or ukrainian forces who participated in Iraq in 2003-2005 makes Ukraine a valid target to Iraqis . Chinese arms are also used by russia, will you support a war with China?
The bigger winner of this war is china and the russian invaders not Ukraine. The day the west promise removing all sanctions on Iran in exchange of stopping the support for Russia and I would agree with you
The UN is useless and many countries who designed it was still colonial powers killing people in occupied lands
I didn’t say that Ukraine would be a winner of this war, all I said was that if Iran were to attack Ukraine, Ukraine could replicate on iranian oil infrastructure what they are doing with russian oil infrastructure.
If the US and Israel want to bomb Irans oil infrastructure, they will do it themselves, and if they don’t, they sure as hell won’t let Ukraine do it
I really don’t believe Iran will strike in ukranians territories but it’s asset in the middle east region.
Ukraine will not benefits at all from helping israel, the usa and the golf. The real winners is the russian invaders and China and Israel if Iran is destroyed and genocided.
Russia no longer need the shahed too. They got the tech and have their own drones based on the shahed blueprint
Ukraine is benefitting by selling their drone interceptors and training. It’s their best avenue to secure funding for their defense against the ongoing invasion. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Ukraine has no choice but to side with the US, lest they get cut off from weapon imports and intelligence. If Europe wants Ukraine to not side with the US, they need to do more to support Ukraine. But we all know that Europe won’t meaningfully step up its support of Ukraine, so the only pathway left to Ukraine is to sell its interceptor tech to the orange in chief and the oil oligarchies.
“We need money to buy drone interceptors, what should we do? Sell drone interceptors”
LOL
That money will go in the pockets of the many many corrupt thieves in ukraine.
Like all the rest of it.
They are broke AF and heavily in debt already.
Despite the billions we waste on that black hole to fund a hopeless causeThe usa moved air defenses from ukraine and south korea to protect Israel and trump ease up the sanctions on Russia. Even an idiot like Trump know the son of the shah who loves seeing his people bombed by israel and the usa is unpopular yet zelensky meet him. Nothing of what Zelensky is doing make sny sense when Russia is not beaten yet and need all the defense systems he has
Why do you think the US carefully avoided the oil infrastructure when bombing that island? You read the news or just comment on it?
Because they want to take over the island? Or because they still want to have something to threaten Iran with?
It’s because Iran can destroy the rest of the region’s oil infrastructure with its missiles, and has refrained from doing so. US is unable to go tit-for-tat on this because Iran would easily weather a global economic crash, since they are already as sanctioned as possible. This is why I was deeply mistaken about the escalation ladder in this war, I made assumptions like “US will see this is irrational” (LMAO) and “US willl have to use nukes or lose”—Iran has pseudo-M.A.D.
Lol we found the line beyond which liberals side with the fascist kid-bombers, and that line is being against their favorite reddit nazi country
Excuse me, who are you talking about? I was talking about Iran threatening Ukraine.
invariably the same one guy, who is not in the army but a PMC.
completely the same as having many openly nazi batallions, honoring WW2 nazi genociders, naming streets after them, etc…
The little cope of the nazi whitewashers.
Any country has nazis unfortunately, if you want to know where the Russian ones are you can look up Nikitin and the Russian Volunteer Friends fighting for the ukro side.
There they are welcome and don’t have to hold back their true selfNice thought terminating sequence, I guess now you don’t have to address supporting a country which has AN OFFICIAL BATTALLION made entirely of nazis and national holidays, statues, and streets named for a ridiculous amount of nazis
No, there is not an entire nazi battalion. There was a civil defense force where nazis dominated, but when that defense force got rolled into the army, the percentage of nazis in that battalion dropped significantly. And Ukraine is in no position to refuse able-bodied recruits, so they get to stay. Overall Ukraine only has a hand-full of nazis, no more than the average western country.
LOL there are at least 8 nazi batallions like sich, Tornado, Misanthropic,…
Not to mention politicians and paramilitary or civilian organizations.
And moving them around only helped spread their influence.
You must also believe the azov scum magically stopped being nazis because they changed their logo a bit. LOLMaybe look up who is more popular and would win the elections from zelenski if he would have them? This guy:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/06/17/rxcg-j17.html
No prizes looking at your name and ideology what country you’re from, don’t ever change germs!
no more than the average western country.
Probably true
“Oh but Russia has fascist mercenaries” that’s cool man, let me know when they’re running the government instead of being used as cannon fodder
Likewise, neofascists in the Russian Federation aren’t really benefiting from Western régimes’ support, but the same cannot be said about Ukrainian neofascists. That makes terminating Western support for Ukraine a more obvious step to take.
Predictably, Quacksalber responded by reminding us that the Ukrainian head of state is a token Jew, oblivious to the fact that Zelensky refuses to condemn Stepan Bandera and is doing nothing about Ukraine’s numerous commemorations of anti-Jewish politicians.
A rare Polish W?
There’s one on the map, monument to “Ogien”, forest bandit. Though you can add i think few dozen others also to various forest bandits though to be fair not all of them were nazi collaborators. Plus around 1000 monuments plus contless streets etc. to pope John Paul 2 who was trying to sanctify Ustase archbishop and was chummy with every existing fascist regime during his pontificate. Plus some assorted bootlicking of USA and west like naming things for Reagan etc.
The Ukrainian government is run by a jewish person. Utkin and Prigozhin were personal acquaintances of Putin
LOL here we go again with the whitewasher bingo, we already had Utkin and Prigozhin
Amerikkka had a black president
A Jewish nazi, yes. There’s plenty of those in Israel, the country Zelensky has repeatedly said he wants to emulate.
Every now and then there’s a burst of terminally unhinged noise. Its a bit like sighting a pulsar.
No, they have massive storage in one ityy bitty island that could very easily be turned into a huge ecological disaster
Iran has been planning this war for decades… They’d have to be total fools to think it wouldn’t be a target. And if you know where the enemy will strike and all that
Well, for one, Russia also had years, and did in fact take years, to plan the invasion in Ukraine. That didn’t turn out too great. And secondly, no matter how good your plan is, if all of your oil export infrastructure is that concentrated, it is at risk.
It was the other way around, the west planned and supplied their ukro- proxies.
They broke all the Misk accords etc…
You clearly know as little about Iran as you do about ex-ukraineIs it as concentrated as it appears? It’s basic art of war stuff, appear weak where you are strong and strong where you’re weak
The island is basically a bomb. It’s an enormous oil depot, with millions of barrels, not processing. It would hurt Iranian exports for sure, but if they’re not idiots they’d have contingencies so they could spend the island strategically
Russia failed because they mistook a hard target for a soft one and let their military be rotted by corruption… Their plan looked fine on paper
“Russia failed by winning the war too slowly”
- people succeeding by losing wars
It all makes sense…
Almost like you guys completely fail to understand that it is indeed possible to lose by “winning too slowly”. War is expensive and the longer it goes on the more it is crippling Russia’s economy.
If you are paying attention to this war as we enter its 5th year, Russia’s front line isn’t doing too well at the minute, especially so since Russia’s starlink access and messaging services have been cut off. Russia is currently moving troops around to try and plug holes in their leaky front line.
If you are paying attention to this war as we enter its 5th year, Russia’s front line isn’t doing too well at the minute,
If you were paying attention to this was when was entering it’s 5th month, then you’d know that Ukraine stans were saying the same back then.
Any day now it’s going to crumble!
Quick sanction round 547!
Gee, our EU economy seems to uncompetitive and tanking due to the very expensive USSA and QAtar gas we have to buy because the terrorists blew up Nordstream and these sanctions. How could that be?!But hey Russia, we’re also having a problem due to murdering children somewhere else now, can you please sell us some oil?
It’s OK now, we’re totally not opportunistic hypocrites and we’ll go right back to sanctioning and funding the ukrofascists so they can kill you and themselves for our US masters, thank you.
Are you stupid? Russia lost because they kicked a snowball that turned out to be a rock.
Russia failed because they mistook a hard target for a soft one and let their military be rotted by corruption… Their plan looked fine on paper
I don’t know what the fuck you read, but it wasn’t my post
Right, like you said, Russia lost by winning too slowly. Maybe Ukraine can still win by surrendering quickly. It’s all coming together baby!!!
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