Hi all. I was excited when I saw a new Dead by Daylight community was created and I’ve been trying to post daily to get it going. Its not my community, but I would love to have a thriving Dead by Daylight community on the Fediverse.
Some Dead by Daylight game content can be mature in theme, and I marked some posts as NSFW because I thought they might be a bit borderline, but I also noticed those posts I did mark as NSFW saw almost no interaction. Not even from the community owner. I suspect the issue is the NSFW flag and I second guessed and removed it, but I wanted to hear perspectives from others on that. Is violent game content worth marking NSFW? Should I just wait and see if anybody is bothered? Does marking things NSFW limit their growth a great deal?
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If it could get me in trouble at work if someone saw it over my shoulder, it should be marked NSFW
That’s fair. That’s what initially made me mark them. I think my understanding of NSFW might be more stringent than most, as others have mentioned that users can always block the more graphic stuff if they think it would be an issue.
Nobody knows where you work.
Some people might work in places where a pride flag will get them in trouble, but that doesn’t make it NSFW.
We’re talking a run of the mill workplace… Obviously people won’t expect something with a pride flag in it to be NSFW just because working with conservative morons would get you fired over it.
Painful to point out and obvious.
Isnt the majority of the world homophobic?
I mean, that is run of the mill in many areas. For instance, many US states.
They said ‘me’ not ‘someone in an average workplace’.
Painful to point out and obvious.
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Yes, the general rule would be avoiding scant clothing or nudity and also bloody gore for an average workplace.
There is an option to not see NSFW posts in the lemmy settings, so not only will some people not look at them, others will never even see them.
I’d the content is in images, maybe put the image in the body of the post within a spoiler tag rather than flagging the post nsfw.
I have this enabled, lemmy has had spam waves that I really don’t need on my phone if I check at work
Most of the content is in embedded videos. The two in question are from tiktok and from a twitch clip. Not sure how they appear in other clients but in mine I have to click them to open the full screen
Still something that could be put into a spoiler tag.
I looked at your profile to look at the content in question, but either I have the community blocked, or my instance is defederated from its host instance.
Oh that’s odd! I don’t know much about Europe.pub, I only really briefly looked at their top communities to try and judge if it was a nazibar but wasn’t super diligent. Thanks for trying to take a look for me :)
Followup I forgot to ask, do you mean to put the links in the body in spoiler tags, or can that be done in the “link” part of the form?
In the body in the spoiler tag
Edit: it’s “gore/gross” not NSFL
Piefed has NSFW and NSFL
You might consider migrating the community from Lemmy to a Piefed instance to be able to use that feature
Respectfully, I don’t think that this answers the question.
OP has the issue that people are not seeing NSFW posts as most users block NSFW
Piefed allows to distinguish between NSFW and “gore/gross”
At this stage, there are three options
- Keep using NSFW and get low activity on those posts
- Stop using NSFW and getting user backlash from seeing graphic content in All
- Switch the community to a Piefed instance
So are you proposing that OP marks such posts as NSFL instead? Do posts marked as NSFL get more engagement than posts marked NSFW? You could be correct, but I don’t think that it’s obvious from your comment how your suggestion solves the issue.
Right, I think the NSFL tag indicates something more extreme than NSFW, so if someone is blocking the latter, they’re most likely blocking the former.
That’s what I thought too, but I could be wrong.
I don’t think you’re wrong and feel that your comments have been entirely reasonable and appropriate to the topic at hand.
I’ve seen people ok with gore but not porn
Those people are weird, and unless the NSFW and NSFL tags can both be applied to the same post at the same time, this solution ignores the significant overlap that can happen between them (i.e., a lot of NSFL is also NSFW and vice-versa). I still think that the vast majority of people who filter out NSFW will also filter out NSFL.
There’s only one way to find out, and that’s by giving NSFL a try
Fair enough, but it would make sense to include a “this may or may not help” when suggesting something that requires setting up a new account like this would.
I thought that “might consider” conveyed the same idea
I can’t speak for anyone else, but to me that seemed to imply that you were suggesting it as a solution that might be worth trying, not as something worth trying that might be a solution. Language is tricky.
Thank you! That is a nice feature, though I think my issue is more that I find it on the border of NSFW, not really close to NSFL. So don’t know if that will quite be what I need
If you think it’s bordering NSFW, then just don’t tag it as such.
You’ll see soon if people complain.
For me the only thing NSFW is hardcore pornography and snuff videos
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. I think I personally align with you, but I was insecure about how my views are perceived generally.
Back before piefed I used to skip nsfw as it was so often so annoying as I definately have a much higher bar for nsfw. For me it has to have straight out nudity at a minimum. A scantily clad figure that could be haning out at a beach is not nsfw for me. Saw this a lot in thighentology. Its like nsfw is not merely a sexy picture. Anyway one reason I went with piefed was the many options which include not bluring nsfw so now I don’t care.
not bluring nsfw
Lemmy has that setting as well, no?
maybe. I was on mbin at the time. Its not the only thing I liked with piefed but it was one. Honestly one thing was it has been pretty active with development overall. For important things Im an lts type but for this media type things I am much more give me the bleeding edge alpha.
Yeah, there are quite a few things still missing
No joke I once had someone call the cards from the game “Love Letter” pornographic. A lot of the “they’re making everything sexless” cranks are weirdos so I stay away from those discussions generally, but I do feel like the needle on amount of sexuality it is appropriate to display has moved too far. There are some scantily clad figures in Dead by Daylight, but the issue more commonly from gameplay clips is violence. Particularly the killer moris are pretty graphic
I’m from a place that nudity was so damn common it didn’t shock or outrage anyone, but since the advent of social media our culture started being regulated by American standards, and I’ll die before adapting to it.
Oh man. Outside of all the crazy facist stuff and gun/violence obsession and going way back its a reason I wish I lived someplace else. Our news for a large, liberal city had this piece about a highrise resident upset a neighbor (these are highrises in a city so the neighbor is across a multilane street) walked around naked in his own unit. The piece was like he was doing something wrong but you watch it and you can tell they have the camera right up to the window so its like a person flattening their face to the window to look out at his place. Its like what the hell man there is no way you will see anything if your not out looking for it.
yeah I consider anything like not x rated for violence as fine which is pretty much anything in movies and games. I mean like I get doing it for really horrific things in war and accidents. I remember the news stories about the woman walking and hit with glass and im glad there was no footage of it.
so… what’s that DBD community? 🙂
It’s !dbd@europe.pub
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Good to know! I feel like I would be hesitant with games in the vein of mortal kombat or even bayonetta but that seems to be less of an expectation than I was worried about
NSFW content will see low/no interaction because of the restrictive default settings of clients (especially on mobile). NSFW won’t show up by default, there’s no notice about it being filtered, and the settings for the filter are either tucked away deep in the specific client settings or don’t even exist… For example, I’m using Interstellar on iOS, and ALL NSFW are filtered, with no option to turn it off - and the fedia.io option of “hide NSFW”, even though I disabled it, doesn’t apply.
And most users won’t be bothered to go this far to see content they don’t even know about. I’d guesstimate a good 80% of your visitors will be in the same predicament, not seeing NSFW thus not knowing about it thus not bothering to look for it thus never seeing content you mark as such.
And in my opinion, this simple binary toggle isn’t even the right ah of filtering content. For example, I don’t mind “sensitive” content that isn’t explicitly sexual in my main feed. A lot of topics I’d like to read about can be considered “sensitive”, aka “hide from your kids”, but isn’t generally problematic even in a work environment. On the other hand I do mind sexual content on my feed that makes it impossible to use the Fediverse at work, especially when the client has no option to quickly disable/enable showing these types of posts.
A better option would be a type selection for the “sensitive” marker, with explicit topics like “content warning: sexual assault” or “sexual content” or “content warning: dead bodies depicted” etc., then let the users filter based on what they’re comfortable with. Grouping everything under a “sensitive content” label just makes it worse because you can’t know what’s gonna be under the blur - a penis? a dead body? a rotting corpse?
This is a good point. Labels might be tough in terms of new users and moderator labor, but would definitely make a much better experience for fine-grained preferences
I’d also like to have the “hey we’re actually hiding some content due to regulatory requirements but you can disable that filter here and here” notice prominently delivered to users - but then again that’s up to individual clients unfortunately…
Honestly, NSFW will be ignored or hidden by filters for most people because the assumption is that it is porn; which is ironic because we’ve mostly become so numb to violent content (given the amount of movies, games, written stories, TV shows). If the community doesn’t require you to mark those posts as NSFW, I would not. I expect that screenshots from Dead by Daylight to be graphic in nature, communities can be blocked if the content isn’t desired by a user.
Luckily they aren’t screenshots so at least in my client they require a separate click to open. They do get graphic in some animations though. Thank you for mentioning the blocks. I do that all the time, but didn’t think about that being an object when I’m contributing 😂
You’re welcome, it’s very easy to not remember that blocking is a thing when contributing; as there is a different mindset when it comes to contribution to increase growth and activity, in comparison to simply browsing communities.
Most people see NSFW and assume porn, if you’re in the dbd community some bloody gameplay is to be expected imo
Fair enough! Thank you, I expected that not to be as popular a view on beehaw, so I am happy to see users all over seem to be chill with it
I just blocked a community over a big-breasted cartoon character smushed up against something else because filters don’t save when you web browse and clear data on exit, and I never know who’s going to be around, working or not. I don’t need my 8 year old nephew seeing that content.
Oh my god that’s disgusting.
Which community was it?
I’m asking for a friend (He goes to a different school, you don’t know him).
