Interestingly, the states rights debate is true, wholly.
The north wanted to keep the right to acknowledge escaped slaves as free, and the south kept sending people up there to kidnap free men and women. They were even known to kidnap free born black people and sell them into slavery.
The south also wanted to charge the north for this “service”.
When people talk about states rights, remind them that the south was heavily infringing on the rights of the northern states.
It’s “true” on a technicality. It was about slavery.
I guess you’re one of those people who are incapable of reading between the lines.
Or maybe you didn’t read my comment at all?
Eh, sorry, it seemed like you were genuinely convinced that most people were concerned about legal issues. I’ve met people who tried to make earnest arguments like that.
They also put it in their constitution that slavery could never be outlawed. Sounds like a really big issue for states rights
“Buy muh Southern Pride!”
“What about the south are you proud of that involves the battle flag of the side that wanted to keep slavery?”
The flag for a nation that lasted less than 5 years. Bill Clinton’s presidency was a longer piece of Southern heritage than that.
Cocomelon has lasted for over four times as long as the Confederacy
They’re being beaten by mind-numbing nursery rhymes
Matthew McConaughey’s career is almost eight times as long as the Confederacy. Why aren’t they proud of that piece of Southern heritage? Why am I not seeing this on the back of jacked-up pickup trucks?
Cuz “that would be gay”, and Conservatives only allow themselves to be gay in secret
If that is gay, what is this???
Worship of their God
An actual picture of a 6’3" 215 lb Donald Trump?
Oh sure, a Matthew McConaughey flag is gay but dressing up in a fancy grey suit and hanging around in a tent in a field with a bunch of other fetishists is perfectly straight.
Your problem here is you’re expecting conservatives to use logic
An awful, hot, itchy, wool suit.
I was proud of being a punker in 1988. That phase lasted longer than the Civil War.
But it didn’t last longer than the racism and manifest destiny that caused the civil war….
And ~lived on for decades afterwards~ still lives on to this day
Real Southern Pride is the 1st Alabama Cavalry riding with Sherman to liberate the South o7
The Pride of Racism
(ig idk what else besides losing lol)
Racism.
Feudalism.
Dysfunctional government.
Xenophobia.
Hatred of social mobility.
Losing is a big part of it. Losing their violent defense of racism.
Really? These clowns couldn’t take over the capitol building and now they think theyre going to take over the country? Honk your nose for me on your way our the door, k?
They actually believe that they can revolt, and with their AR-15s, magically take out National Guard troops and just acquire their weapons and armored vehicles.
A member of my family is not only a veteran, but also fell into this lunacy and thinks his work as a logistics officer and his NG training puts him on the level of the Navy SEALs. And he’s almost 60. He salivates at the idea of fighting the mythical military oppression from the evil Demoncrats trying to take away his guns.
Also a factor, I think, is the notion that the military rank and file are secretly on their side, and in the event of an uprising would defect.
Too bad they fucked over the country so much, 90% of people in the military are just poor people that cant afford college (or to live in general). I dont think these people will join some white supremacist fucks
Some of them might, and if a few state governments decide to side with them a lot of people will get hurt. Even if they lose.
A lot of people gloss over this fact. Most of the folks I served with were poor Latino kids looking for GI Bill money to pay for school. Myself included, minus the Latino part.
Its not just red yokels from Nebraska who can tag an Ivan at 300m. You’re 100p correct, most of the folks in the military would not want to harm other Americans. Most of those guys are patriotic in the good sense.
I don’t understand how they think that would work. Like an officer with a few decades in is going to throw away their career for something they saw on the internet? Or do they think a private is going to turn against their unit? Or maybe all the soldiers in a unit will mutiny against their CO? But then how is that rogue unit going to be supplied?
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Probably while on base in Kuwait the day before leaving for (honorable) discharge in 2005ish.
I’ve been seeing a few documentary style videos on YouTube talking about the uptick in far-right groups in the US. One guy was able to talk to a former group member, saying for the past year or-so they’ve been “preparing” for a civil war. Another member said they had people intentionally join the army to try and get people on the inside.
Documentary bro tried to contact the FBI about it and was able to get in contact with an agent, but the FBI essentially said they wouldn’t do anything about it.
Although I don’t think a civil war is going to happen anytime soon, it’s scary to think that the FBI doesn’t seem to care about any of this.
Something something those that wear the uniforms (or carry badges in this case) by day are the ones burning crosses at night.
Someone should really write a song about that
So real, but at the same time most vets I know came out of the system leftists.
The vast majority I meet are right wing. Wonder what the difference is.
It’s the company we keep.
Im liberal as fuck, but for some reason my lifestyle surrounds me with right leaning folks.
Day to day, they aren’t bad. But holy fuck, bring up politics and they almost all go fucking sideways balls to the wall conservative, and forget that they’re all felons…
It’s sad how so many that rebelled against authority and “the system” suddenly turn around and want to carry the riot shield to enforce it.
I’m located in the Northeast, and the lineage of “Military families” is exceedingly rare here. Most people I know joined up for economic reasons, and tested well enough to be in operational, engineering, and medical roles rather than any infantry.
A friend of mine joined as a right wing conservative (the whole Christian soldier kind of thing) and came out of the military pretty left. Then in the last few years he started slipping down the Joe Rogan slide and has been moving more right again.
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Small cell facebookers are not any threat to society
Considering the avg republican has to ride the diabetes scooters at Walmart I think the 2nd civil war will be a goddamn turkey shoot.
Let’s find out, Trumptards!
I’m not a Trumper and I know for a fact they not only have more gun owners in Republican voting areas, they also train with them more because it’s not as stigmatized. My point is that the Democrat areas will 100% lose any fight since we’ve been told for over two decades that guns are bad
They have louder gun owners. My friends and I don’t advertise our arsenals, and we practice plenty. My carry is hidden from everyone around me, because many people are uncomfortable around guns, and I don’t want to make anyone have to think about it. I am not unique, and I’m in a progressive area.
I am aware of the gun ownership of one liberal person whom I know personally. I only found out because when they gave me a tour of their house, I noticed a small decorative item in their closet and asked about it. The item itself was a gift from their family member.
Every Republican I know who owns a gun, OWNS SEVERAL GUNS VERY LOUDLY AND PROUDLY GOD BLESS AMERICA.
People have asked, and I’ll tell them what I’ve got if they’re interested, but I’m not proclaiming it by any means. Most don’t know that I have made several different firearms and custom attachments. My core group is outwardly some of the most peaceful people you’ll meet, self aware, kind, pro mental health, pro acceptance of any marginalized group, but also understanding of the importance of defending ourselves from the encroaching wave of modern fascism.
I promise you are in the minority of blue voting gun owners, and they outnumber you significantly to the point that it becomes trivial for them to oppress you (i.e. cops, military, and rural people mostly vote conservative and most own guns, and so they maintain the monopoly on violence).
We literally will never stand a chance if push came to shove.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We’ve had to tell these dipshits at least twice in my lifetime not to drink bleach in order to cure diseases.
It takes a lot more that having guns and knowing how to shoot them in order to win a war. They lack the logistics, medical and technical skills required to effectively wage a war. Every time one of these dumbfucks tries to defeat “bullet-proof” glass with a nail gun, it really shows how fucking stupid they are.
Vietcong had literally less and still defeated a major super power.
None of that matters. Whichever side has the military is the side that will win.
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While you shouldn’t be afraid of them, you should take their threats semi-seriously since they pose a significant domestic terrorist threat to the US.
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they crossed that line already with an uptick in racially motivated mass shootings. you cant prepare for these kind of events like a declaration of war. and that’s where the real dangers lie.
A bunch of fat, crazy LARPers in the woods does not a confederacy make.
The south will rise again… slowly from their mobility scooters.
They were moving RV’s full of weapons into position prior to J6.
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It was a coup. The plan was to take control of the government by force.
Why did the weapons go unused? I didn’t even know they had anything like that besides a few pipe bombs planted as diversions.
That sounds cool fun and easy but armed and untrained and undisciplined nut jobs crawling from the woodwork is not going to be a clean finish for anyone involved. Obviously this isn’t meant to be a deterrent for the justice system… but we’re working on a different tier here. It’s not going to be high profile business and agencies fighting each other. It’s going to be normal working people being attacked by deranged wing nuts and always by surprise, because there will be no centcom for them.
So, if you think you’re going to be prepared for an outcome like this, I do wonder what you’re packing.
As someone outside the country, I think uncle sam will do just fine vs meal team 6.
Reconstruction this time, but the radicals never lose power.
It won’t.
I don’t think anyone really “won” the civil war. We’re still feeling its effects to this day.
Going to try to give a different perspective here, bear with me. I’m neither left nor right as they are both taking sides of the corral I wouldn’t be in. They are however both taking this very seriously, so I’m thinking cartoon memes of Civil War might be make a person, mmm, callous towards it? Civil War conditions don’t allow much hanging out on the Internet at home right? Maybe the meme sell is you will be able to do that?
There are surely many deadly people on all sides out there especially if your skills in are in computers and memes. I would think that is the last thing either side would really want!
Reality check for those perception manipulating about the South, um, that is where the majority of US Special Forces are born, those people grow up with guns.
“too”? Do they seriously think they’re the North side of the previous one?
who regularly waves the confederate flag? Trump fans or Trump haters? That side lost once and they’ll lose again
We who? Lincoln was a Republican.
Is it really, though? The guy is a piece of shit but he was president for four years and America survived.
Did abortion rights survive?
They did in the good states
Let me guess… the women in “the bad states” deserve what they get.
No, what happened to them is terrible and I hope every one of them remembers how badly their leaders failed them on election day
How do you know how they voted to begin with? Maybe they didn’t vote for those leaders. You know votes in red states aren’t unanimous, right? So, again, sort of sounding like you’re saying they’re getting what they deserve…
Word. I’m here in Ohio and my wife and I didn’t vote for any of this shit. We don’t plan on staying here too too much longer, but there are hundreds of thousands here who also think the cheatin’-ass politicians here are ruining people’s lives but don’t have the luxury to move and are thus stuck here. Fortunately, we did show up back in August to block some underhanded GOP bullshit designed to kill reproductive rights, and hopefully will show up again in November to codify those rights, against their machinations.
I’m not 100% on Throwaway’s side here, but I don’t think that’s what they meant.
You can’t throw away your only voice and then complain about not being heard.
You don’t vote, then you get exactly what you voted for, what other people want.
I’m not talking about people who don’t vote, I’m talking about people who don’t vote for anti-choice Republicans but live in red states. It didn’t work out so well for them, did it?
When a man slams his head into my window, and the glass cracks but doesn’t shatter, my response is not “He can do it again, no big deal, the window didn’t break”, it’s “Holy shit did I get lucky, someone stop that stupid fuck from doing that again”
Your response should also not be ‘Gunfights are good and easy to win’
You’re right. That’s not my response. My response is “Cowing to the threat of politically motivated violence is the death of democracy.” Trump goes to jail. What happens after that is immaterial - if the law does not apply to the powerful, even those who attempt to overthrow our democratically-elected government, then we have no democratic government. We have an oligarchy counting the minutes until their next consequence-free coup works.
A civil war is pretty damned far from immaterial. You guys might even lose! You have to defeat him at the polls, other countries have tried doing things the other way and it doesn’t end well.
Other countries have also tried the “Defeat him at the polls!” method. Doesn’t always work. There are no guaranteed defences. No matter what you do, it will be a risk. However, what is guaranteed is that without the rule of law, there is no real government, only elites and us commoners. Without the rule of law, we do nothing but trade time for another Trump coup attempt - or an attempt by someone marginally less stupid.
