Edit: The original image has now been confirmed to be doctored. https://sh.itjust.works/post/59327741
An account on Feddit.org is pushing a screenshot of a conspiracy theory that shows db0 is run by Nazis. Zero evidence is supplied except a link that mysteriously doesn’t work. Of course Feddit.org is eating this up as all the proof they needed.
When arguing against that and how suspicious it is that a user was browsing this site at all to happen to discover a month old post that conveniently portrayed a plan by Nazis to take over the instances who defederated feddit.org for Zionism.
Knowing how important following German law is for Feddit.org, I inquired as to if libel was against the law. I was informed that it was and calling people Nazis was libel (i.e. exactly what the post they are hosting is doing).
I was than banned for apparently calling someone a Nazi? (I never did, you can see that below) yet in the modlog the actual reason given was bad-faith, because I did not blindly accept a easily falsified screenshot.
The admin in question is Emopunker@feddit@feddit.org
This evidence continues a history of bad-faith and outright lying by the administration at Feddit.org.
I will investigate reporting this to the German authorities, it is unacceptable that Feddit.org will call people Nazis with the full support of the administration staff.
mathemachristian just pinged me with the results of his investigation proving that this is a fake
This reinforces my thoughts that this was an deliberate disinfo attempt, and the feddit crowd felt for it hook, line and sinker. Just pathetic when the whole charade collapsed under the smallest of pushes, and ffs, who seriously tries to paint anarchists as neo-nazis?
For anyone who’s going to try this again, a reminder that I have an online presence going back 20+ years, or which 17 of them was in anarchist spaces as well and I’ve been consistent in my beliefs all this time. You’re going to have to try harder than that to prove I’ve been playing a long game of a couple of decades…
Great to know, wonder if @Emopunker@feddit.org will reverse my unjust power trippin’ ban now that it was proven that I was right to call out the authenticity of this.
Oh no, Emopunker will spin up accounts to harass you. It’s what he does to aid in the German assistance for genocide.
They’re going to continue tripping down
Removed by mod
For anyone who’s going to try this again, a reminder that I have an online presence going back 20+ years, or which 17 of them was in anarchist spaces as well and I’ve been consistent in my beliefs all this time. You’re going to have to try harder than that to prove I’ve been playing a long game of a couple of decades…
something something Navy Seal
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little peach?
I’m shocked.
I’m assuming this was the origin of someone suggesting dbzer0 was an alt right instance in another thread (and honestly makes their comment even more sad to be so easily duped).
As a non-db0 user I was disappointed with the decision to defederate with feddit. (Mostly because I want a more cooperative and open fediverse, being on lw the decision didn’t affect me)
This is just a sad reaction, trying to paint db0 as neonazi’s, which everyone saw right through immediately.
I’m shocked the original thread actually was archived though, figured it would be blocked by a sign in page or something and wouldn’t have actually been backed up by the wayback. Makes it even sadder that it was this easily disproven.
PTB, the actions of Feddit.org and emopunker do not surprise me. They went to accusing me of being a bigot when I wouldn’t readily accept the Hasbara apologia. It’s not surprising they wouldn’t use doctored evidence we are Nazis to support their own beliefs, and use their admin powers to suppress those who push back or call it out.
It’s also possible emopunker doctored that evidence themselves. We can’t really prove it but it certainly is possible.
Good news! They just removed the post! Given how long it took and how they haven’t unbanned you, they absolutely did it only because of the negative attention and not because they actually care.
And no bans for the users who made the post or lied in the comments to defend it, not that they @givesomefucks@lemmy.world about stopping misinfo.
Edit: Oops I tagged a user instead of a word, silly me.
Now why would they want to punish those who spread libel? That’s silly.
Time to punish the people who want to end a war!
Jesus fuck, PTB by a fucking mile.
They didnt even stop for a second to question the increadible evidence they were being baited with.
Death to zionism, death to Israel and to all their genocide collaborators.
They’re tripling down on it too
Care to share for those of us that are defederated?
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67969013
Looks like someone else did a write up
I would but they nuked the thread.
From said emo to say the person calling it fake was wrong and archive had changed it not it being fake
Oh I noticed it didn’t add up when I researched it. Original link and the link used for archive don’t match.
Removed by mod
Nah, in this case I think the nazis are the ones defending the genocidal ideology
Germany have the biggest network of nazis.
Defederated them. Recently there are some campaigns painting antizionism as antisemitism even in Brazil, I think this is coordinated.
how can anyone take lemmy so serious to make up such claims? lmfao
there’s not even that much content you can engage in that warrants being at this stage of terminally online behaviour
It’s social media. What part are we ever supposed to take seriously? We’re not curing cancer. The closest we might come to saving a life is when we help someone have a better day.
how can anyone take lemmy so serious to make up such claims?
Right?! It’s crazy. Back when everyone thought I was the worst thing on the fediverse, people were making fucking charts of my posting times trying to figure out what timezone I was in.
Lots of people on Lemmy need to go outside! lol
Average Feddit.org behaviour
I think this brought their average down severely in my eyes at least. That it happened during the .world drama who are also attacking anti-zionist anarchists is certainly interesting.
Very interesting that it name dropped quokk.au and dbzer0, the two instances who defederated feddit.org for Zionism.
And a casual mention of targeting LW next, like the perfect fear hint to push Lemmy.world to make a move and defederate us…
They have such obvious tells, they’d be the easiest people to win against in poker.
Emopunker is a real huso. Conflating anti-zionism with antisemitism is a classic zionist move, and the so called evidence is nothing but a “trust me bro” broken link? Your Hasbara is slipping, emopunker. If you’re gonna fabricate evidence, at least put some more effort in.
Are you saying that emopunker themselves made up the fake? I am asking to avoid misunderstandings.
And really asking in good faith: How would you as an admin handled this kind of post? Like for example a post where a hexbear.net admin gets called out as a neo nazi with the proof of a single screenshot, no working links or waybackmachine snaps. Remove? Lock? Pinned Modpost that hightlights the speculatory parts of the post?
Emopunker is a real huso.
Yeah that seems to be the case, even though I dont like the sex work negative connotation of the word. For anyone not in the know, its a shorthand for the german insult “Hurensohn” which could be translated to “son of a whore”.
I was kinda hoping feddit.org and their admins would better at handling their status as zionists / zionist enablers…
I don’t actually know if it was emopunker specifically, or another user, but it’s very suspicious they were the only feddit.org admin to get pissy with us about the defederation over zionism (dms etc), and then they pop up in that post to defend their OP “friend” who they claim to “have known for ten years”. In effect, they are arguing in support of the claim because it was made by a friend who they trust.
How would you as an admin handled this kind of post? Like for example a post where a hexbear.net admin gets called out as a neo nazi with the proof of a single screenshot, no working links or waybackmachine snaps. Remove? Lock? Pinned Modpost that hightlights the speculatory parts of the post?
If it’s literally fake news, but they want to keep it up for posterity, then it should be very clearly identified as such in the post by the feddit.org admins. Otherwise it should simply have been removed with a refutation in the modlog as soon as a check was done. It was a very obvious fake, after all. Instead, emopunker amplified the claim and even tried to bolster it by vouching for OP.
And really asking in good faith: How would you as an admin handled this kind of post?
First take thoughts… Comment that it will be looked into, that it shouldn’t be presumed as accurate, and lock the post. Note that anyone with additional information should contact with receipts, including OP needing to provide them.
If OP has nothing but screenshots, I’d lean toward removal after a fashion.
So pinned modpost + lock, then remove if nothing further can be provided would be my personal take.
You the real hero in this thread. Looking up ‘huso’ only turned up a New York restaurant for my ignorant ass.
really funny that it’s called that. Feddit I mean, like fed-reddit.
Zionazis on feddit.org calling other nazis
Edit: The original image has now been confirmed to be doctored.
well, I didn’t need the confirmation to know it was utter bullshite, but it’s nice to have the FAF name vindicated in public. 😂
not that a little thing like it all being the usual hasbara is gonna stop the right-wing chuds on LW and feddit.org from spreading their lies. and keep in mind that mrkaplan is an admin on a FHF instance, he could be pushing back against this. he’s chosen not to.
So many mods are such little bitches
The archive.org link is from this morning.
Are there other reliable archives from earlier?
The archive was made so that it would stay up forever. Anyone can request an archive to be made of a page.
You can find the original conversation on the actual Nazi site, dated to a month ago.
It doesn’t mean it can’t have been altered. Unless it was signed with the date in the signature and/or was archived a month ago there’s no guarantee the content was what it shows today.
It’s federated software you can find it from poa.st for instance.
Removed by mod
Account age 47 minutes. Fuck off . Y
And they deleted their account now.
Next one is gonna be named mrdown2 in honor of who made them ragequit last
I will investigate reporting this to the German authorities, it is unacceptable that Feddit.org will call people Nazis with the full support of the administration staff.
Not defending any of this but…
Are you even German? This seems like a bit of dead-end. It’s the accusations towards an instance, not an individual. It’s closer to a conspiracy theory than anything actionable under libel law.
EDIT: I like how I get downvoted, but multiple people saying the same thing as me get upvoted.
Feddit.orgs argument for removing anti-Zionist content was that hosting it is against German law.
If calling others Nazis is against German law and they are hosting (and defending) content doing so, surely that is something to be investigated.
I will leave it to the authorities to judge the value of it.
ACAB. Nothing good will come from inviting state-violence into this.
For this to get anything done you would need to hand over personal information to the police, as only the smallest amount of anonymous tips result in any kind of police action in Germany.
But better yet, instead of going to the cops, keep doing what you are doing here in fact checking those claims and spreading the message when you find a lie. That would actually be worth your time.
My thoughts on “authorities” aside, you’ll do a lot more continuing to look into things here than anything else imo.
And solid work getting this info together in the first place BTW, thank you
No one is going to touch that…this literally has no victims or personal info for them to follow. It’s online drama and that’s basically it.
Calling someone nazi could be considered an insult if the person is indeed not a nazi, which will be determined by a court.
It necessarily requires the libelled person to file a criminal complaint. If you have not been personally insulted, you are wasting your time because you are ineligble to file such a complaint.
This does not apply to politicians, whose insulting can be prosecuted if it’s in particular interest to the public as well as members of groups prosecuted by the Nazis, if the insult is related to their prosecution. No particular public interest required in the latter case.
See: §194 (1) Stgb
That is to say: You are wasting your time. Have fun sending your name, address and contact information to the German police to be stored for a while. Anonymous criminal complaints are always ignored.
I would also have to inquire that even if Loco_Max has been insulted in this way, would it apply to non-Germans?
I have zero clue. Could not find anything confirming or denying it.
Feddit.orgs argument for removing anti-Zionist content was that hosting it is against German law.
If calling others Nazis is against German law and they are hosting (and defending) content doing so, surely that is something to be investigated.
Is that a specific law? And I assume that only applies to German citizens, not just random people (and not even people but their online alias) or communities online not hosted in Germany.
