This is actually a super fascinating example of the way data can be displayed in a technically correct way to lead the viewer to completely invalid conclusions.
It’s even more fascinating how everyone is seriously debating over this meme
Fever is not 100F. A fever is defined as 100.4F. Why 100.4 when 100 is a much easier to remember and handle number? Because fever is defined in humans as 38C, and that converts to 100.4F.
It’s been a while but I think they tried to establish 100F as the average human body temperature. But after they established that baseline turns out they were off by 1.4 degrees and couldn’t change it.
People’s body temperature used to be higher a century ago, but I think it was less then 1°C.
EDIT: Apparently since the early 1800s, men’s body temperature changed about 0.59°C and women’s about 0.32°C.
That’s really interesting. Does anyone know why?
I believe there’s a theory that the average person had at least one source of inflammation in their body.
Hasn’t the fever temperature changed recently or something
You’re right. April 8th 2000 Christopher Walken caught a fever that changed the course of history forever. He had a fever and the only cure was more cow bell.
He kept that uncomfortable hunk of metal up his ass.
A fever is defined as 100.4F
Who defines it like that? I’m asking because I wouldn’t be surprised if the definition differs between orgs
It’s actually an irrational number, but for most purposes 100.4159F is a perfectly reasonable approximation.
No I was wondering who defines it as 37C/100.4F
IUPAC
°F and °C, unless you’re speaking of Coulomb and Farad.
That’s a sigfig error. A fever is 38C, which is 2 significant digits. Converting to 100° F goes up an order of magnitude so you get a free sigfig, but unless the original number was 38.0C, you don’t get that 0.4, you’re implying precision that the original measurement never gave you.
“Inches in 8.33 feet”
“Mm in a foot”
Fool, the scientist in me is infuriated. Good work, mate!
This is one of the most stupid things I’ve ever seen. Good job.
Saturday Night Live actually had a good sketch about this a few weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYqfVE-fykk
Washington: "We fight for a nation where we choose our own laws… choose our own leaders… and choose our own systems of weights and measures.
I dream that one day, our proud nation will measure weights in pounds, and that 2000 pounds shall be called a ton."
Rebel: “And what will 1000 pounds be called sir?”
Washington: “Nothing. Cause will have no word for that.”
…
Washington: “Distance will be measured in inches, feet, yards and miles. 12 inches to a foot!”
Rebel: “12 feet to a yard…”
Washington: “If only it were so simple. 3 feet to a yard.”
Rebel: “And how many yards to a mile?”
Washington: “Nobody knows.”
Rebel: “Ok, how many feet to a mile?”
Washington: “5280, of course! It’s a simple number that everyone will remember.”
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wait 100 F is only 38 degrees?
Wow that’s funny. I’ve seen so many people complain about extreme heat below 100 F.
I get that what you’re not used to is difficult but like 38 degrees is a relatively ordinary (now) summer day for me.
From how people spoke about it I thought 100 F was more lile 45
I think that if the air is moist enough 38 degrees will overheat the body and kill it. Because the human body sweats to lose heat.
So some regions on earth are probably less pleasant when the temperature rises. While other regions are more tolarable for humans.
So there might be a reason why some people complain that they suffer from the heat. There could also be other reasons like their living conditions. A lack of ac and water, or living in a urban heat hell.
Lets not trivialize experiences of people who suffer.
Oh yeah they open up libraries near me cause otherwise people might cark it.
I’m not trivialising anything, but outside of the tropics you don’t need AC to survive those temps. Just keep wetting yourself down and stay out of the sun and you’ll be right. Unless you’re not in a good state prior.
That’s why we’re starting to use wet bulb temperature to measure these things. This is the temperature measured with the measuring bulb of the thermometer wet, so it accounts for wind and humidity, and it reflects how humans would feel and survive.
38°C wet bulb is a deadly temperature. Not like you may die if you are unlucky or have specific condition, but like healthy you adult humans die in this weather. Because wind and humidity are such that your body cannot cool itself.
In more temperate or dry places the heat should not be an underestimated danger either. But indeed the danger comes more at 40°C and higher and specific circumstances (stupidity being one of them).
you could still survive by immersing yourself in cool water but yeah.
I think we had a 48 the other year with like 70% humidity and that was interesting. At one point I tried to get something done in the sun and almost immediately started experiencing heat stroke. I ended up going into the bush and lying down in a creek for a while. A surprising number of people had the same idea, it was almost nice except for the whole “wow the Apocalypse is starting” thing.
You can survive with many external means. But that’s the thing: you need external means to survive because you cannot survive otherwise in this environment.
And yes, even in dry weather doing work in direct sun when temperature is over 40C is madness. Even a healthy adult can die in this environment. You should at the very least have proper garments and drink a lot.
Keep in mind that a large chunk of the United States is considerably closer to the tropics than Europe is. Washington TC is on roughly the same latitude as Lisbon or Ibiza is. It’s not tropical, but climatically it’s still considered sub-tropical, and large chunks of the country have the summer heat and humidity to prove it.
Fun fact. -40 degrees is the same in both C and F, and is also called “January” where I live.
yikes. My house is about 6 degrees in winter and that’s cold enough for me
You shouldnt let the house go below 14-isch degrees since that would create kondensation that might hurt the structure or promote fungal growth. My house is between 15 to 20 degrees in winter and at 15 I can feel my body stiffen due to cold
If I had a choice mate I wouldn’t let it haha. I live in Australia, we make houses that don’t qualify as tents in the rest of the world.
No real insulation (tiny amount in roof but downlights punch a hole through it), single glazed windows, doors that don’t seal. Power costs too much to run heating :') it’s good shit.
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When I moved to Los Angeles, I opened a bank account and while chatting with the bank employee, I found out she’d never seen snow up close. She’d only ever seen it on the mountains in the distance. That boggled my mind.
I live in a place that has -40°C winters and +40°C summers now 👍
God I sure do love global warming
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fuck BOTH these date formats.
ISO-8601 OR DIE.
Good morning on this beautiful day, 2023-W47‐2T10:26
it’s extra handy because it taught me how to better visualize the chronological position of minecraft snapshots! 2023w47 has kinda sucked, from what i hear second-hand, due to some accidental features people were excited about being removed as “bugs”.
2023‐325T21:11+00:00
meh, I prefer RFC 3339
In case people need a nudge to convert:
https://ijmacd.github.io/rfc3339-iso8601/tbh they both have way too many options.
just give me 2023-11-21T21:45:53.02Z and call it a day
Damn, y’all are nerds.
what do you expect on lemmy
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Is it just me or do neither ISO8601 nor RFC3339 contain any timestamp formats that are windows file system compliant? There doesn’t seem to be a time format that doesn’t contain a colon.
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When used in casual speech, you drop the year most of the time, so the month comes before the day. just like Americans would say. Don’t tell the people that hate how Americans do things, though.
so the month comes before the day. just like Americans would say
Sez you. 1st of January. 14th of February. 25th of December. This is the way and the truth and the light.
Tbh I don’t really get why people get upset about mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy. Is it a little weird? Sure, but personally, saying “July 4th, 1776” feels as natural as “the 4th of July, 1776”. The former is more formal, the latter is more casual.
People don’t get upset about saying the date in whatever format. They get upset when you write it in that format without specifying, so that you don’t know if 07/04/1776 is July 4th or April 7th.
I love it when someone sends me a message like this:
Hey there! What are you doing on 4/5?
???
What’s especially bad is things that are meant for an international audience. Like the 2023 Miami Formula 1 race was held the weekend of the 5th to the 7th of May. But, say you didn’t know that and you see that the date is specified as: 05/07/2023. Is that a race in May or July? It’s Formula 1 so the audience is probably mostly European so the European order makes sense. But, it’s a race in the USA so the US order makes sense.
It really sucks when to decode a date and time you have to first figure out who the target audience for the information is, then use that to help decode the information.
You’ll just have to compromise.
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One word: Ambiguity. We need to either have a standard and stick to it, or a small handful of standards that cannot be confused for each other. DD/MM/YYYY and MM/DD/YYYY can be confused for each other, so the nonsensical MM/DD/YYYY should move over and make room for DD/MM/YYYY, or we should drop both and just use YYYY-MM-DD.
ISO 8601 ALL DAY EVERY DAY BABY
While it’s fine now, it used to be pretty disgusting too
Fooking disgusteen
ISO 8601 for life.
Or DD-MMM-YYYY. Like 05/OCT/2005, which is my favorite if I don’t need it to be entirely numerical.
That’s fine because it’s unambiguous. If I’m using another standard and you’re using that, I can correct it without having to think about it.
It’s not about saying it. It has to do with ordering it by size of time unit. Like I don’t write the time as 43:12:19 to denote 43 minutes and 19 seconds past midday do I.
If it’s about size of time unit surely it should be 2023/11/20?
ISO8601 is the best format and the international standard to denote date and time.
2023-11-21T00:34:2
I’m not sure I would agree with that. ISO-8601 is ambiguous, and very difficult to parse. For example, here are a couple valid ISO-8601 strings. Could you let me know what they mean?
P1DT1H R10/2021-208/P1Y T22.3+0800 22,3 2021-W30-2 2021-W30-2T22+08 P1Y 20Taken from here. My favorite is the last one (
20). If someone just wrote20and told you to parse it using ISO-8601, what would you get? Hour? It could even be century (ie.2023%100)!!So I would argue that ISO-8601 is just a wee bit too flexible. Personally, I like RFC 3339 just a bit more…
Edit: that said, I would definitely agree that something along the lines of
2021-07-27T14:20:32Zis better than any regularly accepted alternative, and I pretty much format my dates that way all the time.to be fair, you don’t parse “20” without first passing “%C”
Don’t think my bank will like it if I date forms with that.
Mine doesn’t care. It actually never occurred to me not to.
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How do you decide what the second will be, when you start writing it or when you finish?
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Yes, and it is used only with dashes instead of slashes. This is also how date is written when you want alphabetical sorting to work on the date, too
Not necessarily. Size of time unit doesn’t explicitly mean largest to smallest. For human comprehension day first makes sense because that’s the most significant piece of data usually. Likewise for time of day the hour is the most significant piece of data.
Though for computer comprehension, absolutely yyyy/mm/dd is best hands down.
The best date format is ISO 8601 anyways.
but personally, saying
I don’t understand why it matters how you say the date vs. how it’s written with slashes.
If someone asks you the time, and you look at your watch and it says 11:45, you could just answer “eleven forty five”, but depending on the context you might just say “It’s noon” or “It’s almost noon” or “It’s a quarter to noon”. 11:45 is how you get the information into your brain. How you process that information and how you pass it on depends on the context.
The best date format is clearly ISO-8601, YYYY-MM-DD. In that format, US independence day is 1776-07-04. But, you don’t need to say it as “seventeen seventy six, seventh month, fourth day”. You can say “July 4th, 1776” or “The 4th of July, 1776”.
ISO 8601. 1776-07-04. Everyone else is a heathen.
I don’t really care which way it goes, it just gets confusing if both month and date are 12 or lower and the format wasn’t specified ahead of time
Yeah. Had issues getting ID when I first came to US. They mixed up my date of birth, and I needed to go get it corrected. I didn’t even notice it until I almost missed a flight trying to use that ID, which didn’t match with their system. Fortunately I also had my passport with me.
Because when usually dates formatted on number follow a descending or ascending order. Year -> Month -> Day or Day -> Month -> Year.
mm/dd/yyyy is:
– Month <- Day | Year <-
It’s not only strange but is also not easy to parse and can be confused with dd/mm/yyyy
Because they’re teenagers. In the real world nobody actually gives a fuck. Call me weird, but the different formats have never caused me a single instant of confusion in my entire life.
As a developer, this has been an annoying and oftentimes confusing source of additional work for me.
You must do a lot of business with overseas people. It causes confusion pretty often
Possibly not even outside their county.
Nope. Never. Every time people are easily able to figure it out in a matter of seconds.
In the grand scale of things it’s probably one of the least important things I can think of.
Ok, what date is 05/05/2024? Figure it out. And you have to pay me by then.
Simple, just pay it by 04/04/2024, that way it has 31 days of processing time
Crap I see what I wrote, misfire. Meant 05/03
Yup. I use ISO 8601 for any record keeping, but much like how I don’t bother with good spelling and grammer it doesn’t matter in comments on the internet
As an American immigrant in Germany, I encounter it somewhat regularly and it still doesn’t matter.
It was a bit of a problem when they thought I forged my covid vaccination card, because I got a shot on January tenth or something. I would then explain that I’m American and we do that. 80% of the time, they had no more questions, 20% of the time I’d show my drivers license birthday for proof (luckily I was born after the 12th).
The things that are actually problematic are the unknown tools used for my dental work (my implant screw is going to need to get a custom screwdriver made for it), and understanding temperature at an intuitive level. I understand the common weather numbers, but do I want coffee that’s 55 degrees or 70 degrees? No idea until I convert. Luckily, it’s the easiest conversion to do.
Not once on my life have i known what temperature my coffee is or should be.
That’s fair. I work at a bakery and make a lot of coffee in Celsius
Different languages. In German you never say “Juli der 4.” it’s always “der 4. Juli”. (I am sure someone will proof me wrong by digging up some weird old text, but it’s still never used in day to day conversation)
I assume it’s similar for other languages as well.So when you need to guess what 10-04-2024 means, it matters a lot
Lolz. It’s funny because it’s so stupid.
The temperature measurement is true though. F describes the temperature scale that humans interact with much better than C does.
Kind of, but not really. 0F doesn’t mean anything special in relation to human interaction, it relates to the freezing point of some random salt and water mixture (not seawater). 32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use. The only part pertinent is that 100 is close to, but higher than human body temperature, but not quite where it counts as a fever… just the temperature of a sub-feverish human… how is that helpful! Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill
0 F is really cold to a human (but still livable), and 100 F is really hot to a human (but still livable). I honestly don’t really care what temperature water boils at in my every day life. I know that if I put fire under a pot of water, it will boil eventually. Why would I need to know the exact temperature?
Cooking
Do you add pasta when the water is boiling or do you add pasta when it’s 100°C? Because right now the boilng point of water for my location is 95.23°C. If I were to go skiing and wanted to boil some instant Ramen does it matter that the boiling point is 90.04°C in Leadville, CO? Or do I just put some water on the stove and wait till it boils?
Coffee brewing, if I used boiling water my coffee would taste “burnt”, but if I use 80°C or so of hot water, it tastes perfect.
huh. I use an expensive coffee maker precisely because it heats just shy of boiling, 202 degrees/like 94c, and it turns out way better coffee than the 85 ish degree machines.
Depends on your coffee, brewing method, etc
For coffee machines the temperature doesn’t matter as much, but for pour over, and some other filter coffee methods it can be important to measure water temperature.
Explain how it’s useful in cooking. Considering it doesn’t actually boil at 100 degrees unless there’s very specific environmental conditions
Hard disagree. 0°F is colder than the pont it stopped being cool, but not yet really cold. 100°F is many degrees into dying of melting, but also a few degrees short of a fever worth noting.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen either 0°F or 100°F used in any way to refer to actually temperature. It’s always defining the scale or comparing to °C. Maybe once when checking for a fever.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen either 0°F or 100°F used in any way to refer to actually temperature. It’s always defining the scale or comparing to °C. Maybe once when checking for a fever.
What? Are you actually from somewhere that uses F? Because what kind of argument is this? You’re saying that 0F isn’t “really cold”? That’s a very specific take likely based on the very specific region you live in. The vast majority of the world would call 0F “really cold”.
And likewise, as someone from arizona, 100F is hot but not “really hot”. That doesn’t start until after 110 or 115. So in general, out of the entire world, 0-100 is a pretty good range of “really cold” to “really hot”. Only the people who live in the specific places that regularly get much colder or hotter actually care. To most people, it doesn’t really matter if it’s 0 or -10 or -15, it’s all too fucking cold. Just like to you 100 or 110 or 115 doesn’t matter, it’s all too hot.
The limits of “hot” and “cold” change with location and personal experience. 0°F is shorts weather for some, while 70°F is jacket time for others. Both live in my neighborhood.
There are hundreds of millions of people who see negative double digits every year, and billions of people who have never seen snow (Mumbai has never seen below 50°F!). There is no scale that can claim to cover human’s experience of temperature in general, but some scales can be useful.
The exact numbers don’t matter to people anyway, no one sees 70°F and estimates 70% hot, just like most of the world knows what 22°C means, even if it never freezes there. We could measure in yoctojoules (40.7) or simply relative to what the pope feels is hot and cold (85?). For daily use all temperature scales are arbitrary. Why not use one that’s useful?
0 F is really cold to a human (but still livable), and 100 F is really hot to a human (but still livable)
Oh wow two numbers with a really fuzzy meaning, how convenient
I honestly don’t really care what temperature water boils at in my every day life
How about freezing? Super useful info in places that have snow and ice
32 is a random number for the freezing point of freshwater which humans do care about, and 212 is nonsense for boiling temp of water which humans also care about and routinely use.
Humans care about the fact that water boils or freezes. Not the temperature at which it happens
Sorry I really don’t care for the Fahrenheit system and I’m prepared to die on this hill
I’m prepared to die on the Farenheit system is better for describing environmental temperature hill
Friend, what in Sam Hill are you on about? Celsius is obviously better for boiling water: It takes a lot more degrees to reach 212 than it does 100, so I get my ramen a lot sooner when boiling water in Celsius!
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this is a joke
No no, this guy’s got a point!
Humans care about the fact that water boils or freezes. Not the temperature at which it happens
What? Humans care a whole lot about the temperature at which both those things happen.
When I go outside in the morning, I know if road conditions are dangerous based on the freezing point of temperature.
When I cook something, the boiling point of water is something I can easily recognise just by looking, which allows me to use temperatures around and below it for many purposes.
212 and 100 are both equally random numbers. There’s nothing special about either. Besides, water boils about 205/95 on my hill.
No, 212 and 100 are not equally random. Unless you’re trying to say that literally all numbers are equally random, 100 in the decimal system is much less random that 212.
Assigning the number 100 to the temperature pure water boils at sea level under specific conditions is as random as it gets. At least Farenheit numbers were based on a chemical concoction that exhibits the same temperature output regardless of elevation or pressure that they used to calibrate.
Assigning the number 100 to the temperature pure water boils at sea level under specific conditions is as random as it gets.
No, it’s literally not. 212 is much more random. Any number like 10, 100, 1000 etc. is less random than any other number, simply by virtue of our decimal system. Just like 2,4, 8 etc. are less random in a binary system.
This isn’t kilometers, area, volume, distant measurement. It’s temperature. What that 100 is based on is random as fuck, and having the temperature of one elements boiling point at sea level divisible by 10 doesn’t really help anything. There is a 100 degree point in Farenhenheit too, you could simply use that for…well whatever reason you need ten to go in evenly.
My guy, I’m not arguing whether the boiling temperature of water is a random point (because it isn’t random in any way, and I’m not interested in arguing that). I’m arguing one simple thing: assigning something on a scale to 100 is much less random than assigning it to 212.
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I have only had the temperature described to me in celcius so Fahrenhite makes no sense to me.
What doesn’t make sense to you. You can think of F as a percentage of how hot it is. 0 is 0% hot, meaning cold as fuck. 100 is 100% hot, hot as fuck. Things in the middle are are in the middle. 85 is 85% hot.
So 50 F is the ideal temperature?
Why do you just assume 50% is the ideal?
If 0 F is 0 % hot, and 100 F is 100 % hot; shouldn’t 50 F be the Goldilocks ideal of neither too hot or too cold at 50 %?
And if 50 F isn’t the Goldilocks ideal, then where on the scale is it?
That would depend on personal preference. Somewhere around the 70-80 mark most likely.
You’re assuming humans have no preference for it being hot or cold. That’s the only way 50% would make more sense. But most people prefer it warm
My assumption was that a temperature scale for the human experience would place the ideal temperature around the middle, and not towards too hot. Would it improve such a scale if the 0 F was closer where 20 or 30 is currently, so that 70-80 is more centered? Is 0 F the perfect point for where it’s unacceptably cold for a human, or could it have been shifted up or down the scale?
And -5 farenheit is… just a bit colder than fuck? I understand what temperatures I start feeling cold perfectly well in Celsius, I know roughly when I’ll need a jacket, when I’ll need a hat and scarf… Farenheit tells me nothing because I don’t know about it. Sure, 0 is very cold, but where is “cold enough to wear a jacket”? It’s most likely never going to reach 0°F where I live, and it won’t reach 100°F outside of very rare summer days… Beyond those extremes it’s not useful to me because I don’t know it.
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What about 102? Or 3000 (for metals)?
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It’s so much easier when 0C is freezing and 100C is boiling. It works with cooking.
Explain how this is useful in cooking
20-30C = t-shirt weather
68 to 86 is a GIGANTIC difference. 68 is cold for many many people, certainly not “t-shirt weather”. and 86 is hot, much more than “t-shirt weather”.
Who bundles up in 68F? It’s literally room temperature
Also it’s useful in cooking because it’s an actual, useful scale. You know when it’s 90C it’s about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F. Random number and all
Never said “bundling up”. But that 10 degree range is so big as to be useless. 68 is not in the same category as 86.
You know when it’s 90C it’s about to be boiling, just makes no sense why you gotta memorize 212F.
What? How often are you putting thermometers in whatever it is you’re boiling? You just heat it until it boils. It doesn’t matter what the number is.
Thank you for making sense lol. Who’s putting a meat thermometer in water to make sure it’s boiling? It’s boiling when it’s boiling.
people actually use boiling water to calibrate their meat thermometers, but they always forget to check their elevation. boiling point here is 205 degrees, and 7 degrees matters when say chicken is safe at 160 but you actually pulled it off at 155
i dunno, 68F on a cloudy windy day isn’t as pleasant as 68F and sunny.
But then again I’m from Ohio and I won’t bother to put on so much as a vest until it hits 50s
100 is absolutely a random number, just fetishized.
68f is for sure t-shirt weather. 86f is for sure T-shirt weather.
Who TF bundles up if it’s 86 deg.
Super confused, you bundle up at 68f for normal ideal summer temps? Or is 68-86 Gigantic enough you need long sleeves? Or like just low keyed afraid are you of the outdoors at 20c? Spoiler alert… It’s nice?
68f is for sure t-shirt weather.
68 is not t-shirt weather for a lot of people.
What is this about “bundling up”? Literally no one said anything about bundling up. But 68 and 86 are just fundamentally different temperature categories.
you bundle up at 68f for normal ideal summer temps? Or is 68-86 Gigantic enough you need long sleeves?
68 means you may or may not need a jacket, depending on the wind, fog, etc. It also means you should probably carry a jacket because it’s likely to drop down below “t-shirt” weather when the sun goes down. 86 means you’ll likely not need a jacket at all, even at night. And it means the wind will be refreshing rather than biting. And it might mean shorts as well.
Like, I just don’t believe that you can’t understand how 68 and 86 are fundamentally different temperature categories
i literally set my thermostat at 69 because its t shirt warm.
This is a funny argument I see from Yanks all the time.
Someone teach these Yanks about negative numbers, please!
Same with feet and inches for distance.
You forgot to consider that people interact with ovens and freezers
USA’s measurment system dosn’t make any senses.
That’s medieval units for you. At least they use the same units in the whole country, which is progress compared to how it used to be in the rest of the medieval world. They just didn’t take the last step to modernity.
Shut up. If you don’t know how many buckets there are to a hogshead, that’s not our fault.
Smartest statesian
My 69°F room temperature disagrees with you.
Logic of America
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I’ll grant that farenheit has merit, but for me, the foot/inches distance works a bit better for casual measurements, and stuff that doesn’t have to be very precise.
Beyond maybe someone’s height, I’d rather work in metric. I’m also very much in favor of celsius and I still have trouble converting between the temperature scales. I grew up with temps in degrees C, and height and some sort distances in feet/inches. IDK, I’m weird.
The date thing drives me nuts though.
I’ve adopted year month day as the superior sorting method
This is the only way. DD-MM or MM-DD is confusing when it’s something like 12-03-2023. Is it December 3 or March 12?
It’s confusing because of USA, if they applied what everyone in the world uses it wouldn’t really be a problem.
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interesting take
