Google always finds a way to bypass adblocking. What worked for me is using firefox with ublock origin. And using apps that don’t have ads in the first place. There are many apps like this on F-droid.

Fun fact: large energy expenditure even from renewables is subject to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. It heats up the planet.

So I prefer to do everything the old fashion way with principles of frugal computing, offline docs, local editing, and try to keep as much in my brain as possible.

I don’t expect others to do the same. It’s about how much convenience you want to sacrifice to live a wholesome life.

edit: It makes sense from the perspective of keeping your brain young too. The more you use it even for “tedious” tasks like navigating instead of relying on gps, learning languages, doing mental arithmetic instead of using a calculator, memorizing phone numbers, and writing manually etc, the better it’ll function especially after middle age.

Firstly thank you for such a thoughtful and long reply. You are right about LLMs reducing cognitive overload and helping you concentrate on the core problem. I avoid them for environmental reasons too.

I too am not a fan of boilerplate and tedious languages like latex.

My approach for dealing with it is using better abstractions like typst. When I was seriously writing LateX years ago I had emacs macros and shortcuts to power through the tedious parts.

I also choose modern programming languages like gleam instead of java or js. They are easier to reason about and write fast manually. IME you can overtake the productivity gains that LLMs offer after 3-6 of working on a project.

LLMs can remove education from your brain? Or functionally make you stupid?

Definitely.

There are studies showing that LLMs make you measurably stupid and insane in just a few years of usage.

And it makes sense too. The brain is always changing. It prunes and rewires connections related to unused skills and memories. That’s why if you haven’t done math, played chess or haven’t spoken in a language you were once fluent in, for a while you get rusty.

Of course you can recover if you start practicing again. But sometimes the damage is too great and you can never go back to how you used to be.

Put simply, it’s propaganda by the LLM salesman and liars like scam altman.

Avoid LLMs. Preserve your brain and skills. Don’t become a slophead.

The only think you’ll fall behind on is humanity’s race to the bottom into total idiocracy.

You can delude yourself all you want that the AI is enabling you to do “x”. But all it’s doing is ensuring that you can never do x and that you keep getting worse at everything related.

And science is proving it. In just a few years of usage, llms are making people stupid and insane.

The brain is like a muscle. Each time you get in a car to travel 5 miles in 6 mins instead of running there in 30 minutes you get weaker. After 10 years your body will be in a horrible shape and much closer to death.

Yes I’m against calculators too for most things. Because of avoiding them I can do small calculations faster in my mind than most people can type into a calculator.

And guess what I’m not left behind. Because of my philosophy I am stronger and sharper than most people half my age.

I tried to manually construct urls to this post for each frontend from my instance. Does that help?

Reference: https://lemmy.today/post/59157611

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2. https://phtn.app/post/lemmy.today/59157611 (works but redirects to lemdro.id)

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I haven’t seen the data on how many cows kill on their own, but i’d be surprised if it was more then a rounding error.

I don’t have data but we can do a rough estimate. I have lived closely with cows for some years (I was a vegetarian in a rural area). Wild grass is full of insects. Cows eat a lot of insects while grazing. They graze throughout the day on most days. So during a lifetime of 10-15 years a cow accumulates a large kill count.

This is your bias coming through again. We exist as a species because we kill to eat, otherwise we would have died out millions of times over

Yeah. If I had to eat a person to survive I would probably prefer to starve to death. (Or maybe my primitive brain circuits will kick in and make me eat the person who knows)

At least in this state I don’t value survival the most.

Anyways it’s been a fun discussion. I’m tired. Let’s talk another time. :))

If you want to police all animal behaviors the only way to ensure no animals are killed by other animals is a mass extinction event.

I don’t want to police animals. I am just saying that you are using cows to kill small animals instead of tractors and pesticides. And that the cow is not just one life. There are thousands of parasites in it.

You can have one what-about-ism or the other, having both isn’t consistent.

Can you explain the whataboutism? I think most humans agree that it’s allowed to kill to save your family from a murderer but not to eat. The circumstances matter.

The majority of people are not zero carb, I reject the basis of your argument.

This is just a fancy way of framing your biases. It’s not a good faith discussion position.

I will think about it.

Great, show me your farming setup to do this with zero inputs and zero deaths please.

I don’t have one. I was just alluding to its possibility by pointing to regions of the earth with only plants and single celled organisms.

I need funding to research it and set it up. 😅

Sure - if you live in a forgeable area that always has plant based foods in bloom. it’s theoretically possible

yep. You need blooms for a few months of the year. You can dry and preserve plants for the rest of the year.

farm, reap, sow, harvest or touch the land

Interesting thoughts. These issues exist on a cattle ranch too. Cows trample small animals, eat them unintentionally throughout their life. What about all the parasites in the cow’s body that you kill when you kill the cow? I’ve seen cows bully, kill smaller animals and themselves.

Cattle ranchers shoot animals that might threaten their cows. So it seems raising cows for humans to eat isn’t just one kill per year as it seems initially.

you will have to fend off animals without killing them

I think self defense is a separate topic. Sometimes you have to fend off humans too.

I dunno if my original post is clear enough. The main argument I was trying to make is to compare within the right categories to make a moral judgement. Otherwise it’s a category error.

One category is how things are today for the majority of people. Animal agriculture vs plant agriculture for food.

The 2nd category is what is possible and needs to be scaled. This is where I put your 1 large animal killed per person per year (because most people can’t eat this way) and compared it against growing plants without killing animals.

Show me, please, I want to see this isolated biosphere - remember “self sustaining” no external inputs

There are regions on earth with only plants or single celled organisms. I can get algae or yeasts from the wild, grow them as food in water and eat them.

You can forage food from the wild and remove insects carefully before eating them.

Animals should not be eating human raised crops

You can buy whole grass fed, grass finished cows today - you can get to know your local rancher, its doable, and practical.

Most meat in the world is produced by animal farms. Only a privileged few can eat like you describe.

Where do the inputs of your sterile, isolated environments come from?

What inputs are you talking about exactly? You just need nutrients, plant parts to clone or seeds or unicellular organisms, air, water, and sunlight. You can have a self sustaining biosphere without animals. We bootstrap such an environment and keep taking a little for humans to eat.

Let’s say that the number of deaths is the correct model of morality. (We discussed it before. I didn’t agree.)

To have a fair comparison, you should pit an average plant meal vs an average meat meal in the world today. Then the plant meal wins because the animal eats a lot of crops during its lifetime and gets slaughtered too in the end.

Or you should compare the ideal case scenarios for both. The vegan version will be growing plants in sterile, isolated environments without animal deaths. And the best case for carnivores is to kill a large wild animal once a year. Plants still win.

But you have compared plant agriculture as it is today to an ideal case carnivore diet to make it look good. That’s what makes this argument fallacious. (imo)

I agree.

I wasn’t so surprised by tea / coffee because most people add sugar and diary to it. Like you said, alcohol is associated with diseases like cancer but it does reduce stress and helps you bond with others.

Degrading your sanity and mental health for yourselves is not okay. But if it’s to serve a rich guy then it’s fine…

What’s going on in the chart at the end? Fast food looks greener than legumes.

+1

It’s frustrating to scroll a huge list of languages each time I create a post.

There’s a related bug. When you edit a post, summit goes back to “unspecified” instead of loading the language set while creating the post.

Because you can slap on a ‘30g protein’ label on junk food and charge double for it

Interesting read. Can you share the study that found that a bp of 129-130 is associated with long life?

My bp is a bit lower than normal. I feel dizzy while getting up from bed or while shifting in bed. It’ll be interesting to learn if this is ok.

You can cure many allergies with exposure therapy. I’m surprised nobody mentioned it.