“Who’s That Lesbian?”

Why would I need to be cautious? I’m enthused

Most dogs I know would lead the burglar to the jewels for a bit of bacon or a belly rub.

I think it’s important to mention why this is:

Your credit score is NOT a measure of just “how likely are you to pay off your debt”.

It is a measure of how likely you are to earn creditors money rather than lose them money.

Successfully keeping up with 4 monthly payments indicates you’re a likelier source of profit than only having one line of credit you pay each month. You likely have more expendable income, you’re more likely to pay interest instead of paying down extra principle, you’re clearly accustomed to carrying debt, etc.

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“Ban cheaters if they find them” <= this is what anti-cheat is for, it’s not just prevention, it’s data collection to identify the cheaters who limit their cheating to just looking highly skilled

“I doubt that running into a cheater… is going to deter you from competing” <= People who compete at the level you’re talking about are the minority. Most players are non-vocal, online-only players who will bounce out just a few weeks after encountering anti-social behavior like cheating.

This is big “just fix the bug, duh” energy

If you’re this confident in how easy it is, you have the opportunity to make a fortune as the only person who can ‘just do it’ in the industry. You should get hired ASAP. I can refer you to the right people if you think you can pass the interview.

For what it’s worth, the issue isn’t the rarity; it’s the scope of impact and undermining of the integrity of the product.

For highly competitive games, even the ability for players to say “there are cheaters, I know there are, and so I think that person is one of them” is a long-term sentiment drain that is not trivial. There are internal research numbers on what exposure to a single cheater does to players’ perception of game integrity and trust in the fairness of their experience, and it’s really really bad

My point was not well communicated: I was joking that this tech, which is already perfectly useful, might actually turn out to be more accurate for gamers despite the idea of using this device without a need being apparently absurdist, because our tongues are much more dextrous than people realize.

As babies we put everything in our mouths. Your tongue knows what everything would feel like. For large parts of human history it was normal to put an unknown object in your mouth to investigate it (the species eventually caught on that this is dangerous).

It was a poorly worded joke about tongues

Ok this is obviously ridiculous but your tongue is actually really dextrous so it might be functional, if complete absurd.

Kaju supports Mayor Mamdani almost as much as onii-sama

As someone who works in this problem space, I promise you with 100% certainty that the type and quantity of data collection being done without kernel access would be far more distasteful than what’s done with kernel access. You can take my word for that or not but I obviously can’t say any more than that

Including cheating functionality in games is already done and people hate it: it’s called pay-to-win microtransactions.

The archetypes for cheaters are such that they don’t provide ways to please the a large portion of cheaters without harming players because harm is their goal. And the other group is trying to make money by charging for services for players and then cheating to complete those services as fast as possible. There are no in-game features that can be created to mitigate these people.

The only class of cheaters that can be dealt with as a service problem are those that are cheating to a) catch up to others or b) offset a skill shortfall or c) offset a time shortfall. This makes up only a subset of an cheaters

Only some cheaters are a service problem. There are a number of different cheater archetypes and some of them do not respond to service offerings

And believe it or not, while kernel level provides a level of access that could be used for nefarious spying we actually do much MORE stuff people would find distasteful when we DON’T have kernel access, because we have to infer more without direct access to the places where cheat makers do their work

I want you to know that I literally work in this space and you are handwaving away an incredibly complex problem space that hundreds of smart people have been trying to solve for decades now and it’s only getting harder (good cheat suites use hypervisor mods and direct memory access kits these days). I would love to educate this community but I’m under NDA (in addition to not wanting to provide information that attackers can use to better understand how we approach this problem space)

I want you to know that I literally work in this space and you are handwaving away an incredibly complex problem space that hundreds of smart people have been trying to solve for decades now and it’s only getting harder (good cheat suites use hypervisor mods and direct memory access kits these days). I would love to educate this community but I’m under NDA (in addition to not wanting to provide information that attackers can use to better understand how we approach this problem space)

Cool. So tell me how to write a game engine that cannot have its memory read to determine enemy player position with precision and then automate aiming and trigger pulls in a first-person shooter

You have no idea how hard anti-cheat is or how determined attackers are because of the profit incentive.

Are you a videogame networking engineer? Because you’ve just handwaved away one of the most difficult challenges in gaming as if it were “duh that’s easy” level simple.

I can link you some GDC videos that talk about how hard this problem is if you want

ETA: Also you’ve only addressed memory modification attacks. This does not address external aimbots that read memory to determine enemy player position and then send legitimate-but-automated inputs to aim and shoot. How do you stop cheaters from doing this when they can see exactly how data is structured in memory, how values are obfuscated, etc?

Open source competitive multiplayer games would be catastrophically compromised.

“bias towards fairness” or “two-sided bias”

Not every issue has two sides. Some have one (“is water required for human life”), while others have 3+ (“what is the just viable socio-economic model for long term human survival and prosperity”)

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