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Strong Badia. There’s probably lots of chocolate.

It could be a terrible indicator of your actual performance, if five of your coworkers rated you a ten honestly, but the other five rated you a zero because they hated the Black Lives Matter sign in your cubicle.

Now who’s being semantic? But, ok, I’ll give you a couple of notes.

“There’s not necessarily a threat of violence!” Of course there is. In the US, it’s called “police brutality.” In other countries, you get disappeared or have an “accident.” Hexbear can make those threats, and they should probably be defederated for them, but they don’t necessarily have the power to carry them out. A police state by definition does.

“If you’re censored in one country you can still say that stuff in another country!” Sure, if you aren’t thrown in prison. And if you’re legally allowed to leave the country. And if you’ve got the financial means to do so. And if the country you go to doesn’t have an extradition treaty. And all that assumes you even survive the initial censoring.

Anyway, you’re trying to draw an incredibly spurious connection that isn’t merited. “Not having a Nazi bar is bad, actually, because then you can’t have an anti-Nazi bar!”

Honestly, amazingly straightforward and simple, if somewhat slow. My partner wanted to get a master’s degree anyway, so she applied at a few universities down here and was accepted. The process from there was just one of chaining together all of the visa stuff, and everyone we’ve talked to has been kind and helpful. It was one of the easiest parts of the whole endeavor, and everything they asked for made sense.

I don’t mind. I’m in New Zealand. It’s pretty great; I’m sure that it has its own problems, but so far they’re different problems.

No. There is no threat of violence, and the moderated are still able to make their statements on other, equally-federated platforms.

By “abuse disguised as dissent” do you mean it’s abuse to refute tankie propaganda and the bans for doing it

No.

Like I said in a previous comment, it seems you’re unfamiliar with the entirety of .ml, lemmygrad, and hexbear.

No. That’s what I mean by misuse of moderation. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t still exist, it means that people shouldn’t be on those instances.

I did. I have a family that I feel a responsibility to keep safe, and I am lucky enough to have the means to do so, so we left about a month ago.

Whether or not that’s a great idea I don’t know, but I also like this new place quite a lot.

Some countries allow people to enter on student visas. Maybe it’s time for a master’s degree!

I know you’re implying that it never does, but it actually has. It’s harder, for sure.

But really this is a semantic issue

It’s very much not.

when the real outcome is the same: suppression of dissent.

Is that more common? Or is abuse disguised as dissent more common?

You can pretend you just “didn’t mention” abuse of moderation all you want

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but this being lemmy, it would have been a good idea when it’s such a prevalent problem,

Like I said in my previous comment, seems like you’ve been moderated for reasons other than your viewpoint.

so I’m inclined to believe that rather than simply neglecting to mention it, like many others here you possibly support or endorse it.

Believe what you like. I support communities keeping their members safe.

You also employ the often used tactic of blah blah blah

I’m not interested in your ridiculous ideological turf wars. All I’m interested in is people staying safe.

So many times in the small town I grew up in I heard the argument that says, “we have to have guns so that if there’s a fascist government we can rise up against it! The casualties that come from that are worth it if we can protect our people against the excesses of a tyrannical regime!” And then millions of people die from that right, and then an actual fascist government really does arise, and oops, the gun owners side with the tyrannical regime. I always knew it was nonsense, but seeing the actual results is pretty notable.

In the face of that, “we have to have completely unmoderated spaces so that if a fascist government tries A Censorship we can speak out against it!” sounds pretty familiar. “The casualties that come from that are worth it if we can protect our people against the excesses of a tyrannical regime!” I’ve heard that line before.

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Tbf, some of them may be doing it at the behest of some government, it just might not be yours.

To be fair, this is a reasonable point to make. I don’t think it’s enough to reconsider the value of moderation, but it is a fair point and worth keeping in mind.

I just reread my comment, and you know what, I didn’t see a single assertion that moderation couldn’t be weaponized or misused; only that it wasn’t censorship when it was deployed by someone other than the state. But the fact that you immediately reacted with such rage at the implication is maybe an indication that you’ve been moderated for reasons other than just your viewpoint.

Let me be more clear: misusing moderation isn’t censorship, unless you’re doing so at the behest of a government. It’s just misusing moderation.

Sorry, I left out the part where most RSS fetchers are not hosted by the user. Of course it is self-hostable, but that’s by far the less common use case.

Images and CSS aren’t natively a part of RSS, though (and in fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen an RSS feed or reader that tries to do any CSS rendering at all). Assuming you have a third party downloading your RSS XML, all of the tracking capabilities are outside of the RSS spec itself, and dependent on you clicking on a link or something after you get the RSS feed.

Looks like it’s going to be super chill this weekend, too. Extra super chill, even.

It’s also worth noting, if you’re not familiar with the US map, that the city of Minneapolis (where the anti-ICE protests are happening right now) is right about where the bottom of the “R” in “TREE” is on this map.

The United States is very big. If you’re from a smaller country (particularly if it’s smaller east-to-west), it can be a little bit hard to comprehend how different the weather can be from one part of the country to another. While the weather does typically travel from West to East, it can change significantly along the way, and it usually takes several days to get from one coast to the other.

The highlighted area on the map is a massive region, wider than France and Germany put together (though much less populated). In fact, it’s quite rare for even this much of the country to have the same weather pattern. The simplest answer to why trees to the east and west are safe is that it’s not as cold there.

There are some other factors, too: just past the Western edge of the highlighted region are the Rocky Mountains, which significantly change weather patterns. The highlighted region consists of remarkably flat land (leveled by glacial action), meaning that there’s not much to break the wind as it sucks away the heat from the trees. To the East if this highlighted region are the Great Lakes, which also change weather patterns.

But the biggest answer is, it’s just not as cold there. Cleveland, OH (at a similar latitude, but further to the East) is going to be almost 20°F warmer than this (which is still bone-chilling, but not tree-exploding), and Boise, ID (similar latitude but to the West) is going to be almost 40°F warmer (practically tropical! /s).

It’s not semantic in the slightest. It’s a crucial difference. One is a community protecting its members, the other is an oligarchy protecting their power. The fascists have tried to conflate the two in order to further their agenda, and you fell for it.

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Censorship is a tool of the state to squelch free expression and prevent uprising.

Moderation is a tool of community to keep dangerous people from harming its members.

Lemmy has moderation, not censorship. And the fact that you’re being moderated is a big old red flag. To wit: I’ve never seen this complaint from anyone outside the right-wing.

I gave an explanation here. You might be either too young or too old for this meme; it’s somewhat niche, temporally.