We already have perfectly fine meat substitutes. Have you actually tried them? They’ve come a long way.

I don’t know that lab grown meat will ever be able to replace meat if people keep eating it at the same rate. Besides, there’s nothing I, as an individual, can do to advance the progress lab grown meat. I can help advance the progress of meat substitutes by… buying them instead of meat.

Cutting meat out of my life saves the lives of countless animals. That is a lot more practical than wishing upon a star that lab grown meat was more developed or economically viable.

I don’t care. I get to decide what you believe, apparently.

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Yeah, it’s a step up from dealing with your regular bullshit.

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Didn’t read.

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Weird how you’re allowed to read in motives whenever anyone else asks a question, yet you saw no need to establish relevance to the questions you asked me. Clearly, based on the irrelevant questions you asked “out of curiosity” prove that your real positions are not what you claim, since that’s how it works, apparently.

Why do I keep bothering to point out all the many, many points of hypocrisy, double-standards, and self-contradiction of this unapologetic chauvinist? I can’t say.

4% support is “overwhelming?” Lmao I don’t think so. Can I get some of what you two are smoking?

The graph is overwhelmingly pro-status quo. Literally all four of the top responses are some variation of that.

Maybe they should revisit some old projects, like that time they made plans to blow up the moon but never got around to it.

It turns out that this model of voter behavior where everyone always falls in line behind the “lesser evil” and therefore the best strategy is to take the left for granted while bending over backwards for the centrists, is complete bullshit.

Now compare the number of people who want to maintain the status quo while moving towards independence to that.

The number of people who want to maintain the status quo while moving towards independence is higher than the number who want to maintain the status quo while moving towards unification, but lower than those who want to maintain it indefinitely or to a later date, without moving in either direction. All of these perspectives are in line with my position of supporting the status quo, and only fringe numbers, adding up to 5%, support anything else.

They’re both.

They’re not “both” those are distinct categories which mean distinct things in this context. You can’t simultaneously support mutually exclusive positions.

Is this whole thing because you insist on redefining terms and using confusing, nonstandard definitions?

Curious on what your answers will be.

I don’t see anything to explain. The overwhelmingly popular answers are all about maintaining the status quo, not disrupting it for the sake of pride. Therefore, we should conclude that the status quo is what the Taiwanese people want.

Even the number of people who want to maintain the status quo while moving towards unification is still higher than the number of people who want independence. Because of how popular my position, that of maintaining the status quo is.

Bringing this to Taiwan specifically - I don’t think someone who wants independence (officially) in an ideal world is “lying” or “under duress” as such - that makes no sense

WHAT??? Then on what basis are you dismissing their perspectives?

Is that not the whole reason why you’re advocating this insane nonsense about security concerns somehow invalidating people’s geopolitical perspectives? That if you’re only supporting something because you’re worried about security threats if the thing is not done, that it’s coerced and doesn’t represent your “real” preference?

As I said, you’re not going to convince me otherwise of my position that most Taiwanese people would like Taiwan to become an independent country officially, but just not enough that they’d risk being bombed over it. It’s not that deep.

I’m not trying to convince you out of that position. I’m trying to convince you out of the position that “wanting Taiwan to be an independent country, purely as an abstract ideal that you recognize as impractical and are not willing to actually support” somehow makes a person “pro-independence” as opposed to “pro-status quo.”