I think we are going to have another decade or two or that, with the way things are looking
OrangeSlice
- 11 Posts
- 116 Comments
No offense (sounds like you questions were answered anyway), but I’m going to remove your post since c/asklemmy is not for support! Feel free to DM or use c/Lemmy if you need any more help!
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mltoUnited States | News & Politics@midwest.social•Reports say ICE kidnapped Native Americans in Minnesota for having no ID days ago, now holding them & refusing to let them get ID cards to try to force tribe into some shady dealEnglish
2·3 days agoHell yeah! I think it’s incredibly important to understand the indigenous history of our local regions if we want to be good neighbors and allies to them. Same themes as always wherever you are in North America (disease wipes them out, genocide via killings and removals etc…), but being able to name names and dates helps bring it in close.
Maybe the mayor of your city was complicit ! Or maybe there was a town near you that had a good relationship with a local tribe! In my area there was a lake that was an important food source that was drained to become farmland. Fortunately it is now being restored.
From my reading, white settlers were not really even unwelcome, the people were excited to tap into the wealth and opportunity the settlers were bringing with them. The fact that they have been excluded from that since the beginning is disgusting. I don’t think it is too late to correct the exploitation of indigenous people and land, and if we can build a society/cultures capable of that, most other things (regarding economic equity) will fall into place alongside it.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mltoUnited States | News & Politics@midwest.social•Reports say ICE kidnapped Native Americans in Minnesota for having no ID days ago, now holding them & refusing to let them get ID cards to try to force tribe into some shady dealEnglish
1·3 days agoIm not seeing an issue with the spirit of your post, maybe the other poster can clarify.
I would take a beat to reflect on the fact that not all American Indians are necessarily radicalized against the US. Doesn’t mean a radical position is incorrect, but it’s important to avoid a “white savior” trope or something like that (not saying youre doing this by posting on Lemmy, but in a different context).
It could come off like “yeah they should put their bodies on the line, and fight for what’s right!”, but if youre gonna talk like that it’s important that youre out there with or even in front of them doing the same thing. Once again I don’t think a random comment online is all that serious, but I think you and I have the same energy so I’m just thinking it through. We obviously dont want to harm or offend our comrades with the way we discuss these things!
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mltoUnited States | News & Politics@midwest.social•Reports say ICE kidnapped Native Americans in Minnesota for having no ID days ago, now holding them & refusing to let them get ID cards to try to force tribe into some shady dealEnglish
2·4 days agoYou can turn against settlerism and stand with your indigenous neighbors! It doesn’t have to be “we did this”. It can instead be “we [American Indians and anti-colonial non-Indians] stand together against the efforts of the United States to subjugate us and the land and resources we live on!”
Reading the book “Custer Dies for Your Sins” after I saw it featured in the Smithsonian really helped get my head straight.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
News@lemmy.world•ICE is sweeping up Native Americans in Minnesota arrests, tribal leaders say: ‘Our citizenship is not negotiable’English
3·4 days agotribal members have been citizens far longer than the United States has even existed
I understand the point you are making here, although I want to add that most American Indians were not United States citizens until 1924.
The United States is not their country, but a force that is occupying their land. It is more complicated than that, but it needs to be a part of the conversation, in my opinion.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
News@lemmy.world•ICE is sweeping up Native Americans in Minnesota arrests, tribal leaders say: ‘Our citizenship is not negotiable’English
12·4 days agoIf anyone is interested in the liberation of American Indians/First Nations I encourage you to get a copy and read “Custer Died for Your Sins” today!
Also, if you don’t want to be a colonizer, the first step is to actually study the history of the people in your local region. The history of indigenous people and settlers is not necessarily separate, but intertwined.
In order to stand together with tribes, most of whom gave been held in poverty and disrespected (and worse!) by the United States, it is important to thoroughly understand the topics at hand so we can bring about the proper restitution. Despite the efforts of settlers to erase these people and their history, we have the opportunity to stand with them and write a new chapter.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
News@lemmy.world•ICE is sweeping up Native Americans in Minnesota arrests, tribal leaders say: ‘Our citizenship is not negotiable’English
3·4 days agoI don’t think you meant it that way, but there are many many lands that belong to American Indians, but are not federally recognized due to:
- never having been ceded in a treaty
- the US government outright breaking the treaty
I’m also down to go with “all the land is theirs regardless as the treaties were signed under duress”.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
News@lemmy.world•ICE is sweeping up Native Americans in Minnesota arrests, tribal leaders say: ‘Our citizenship is not negotiable’English
9·4 days agoBoth of those countries took notes from the United States, particularly with respect to the success of the genocide of American Indians.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
World News@lemmy.world•75% of Americans oppose US attempting to take control of Greenland, CNN poll findsEnglish
5·4 days agoIsn’t it kind of Trump’s way of doing business? That’s exactly where things are headed for people who stand up against him.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
politics @lemmy.world•Michigan Congressman Shri Thanedar introduces Abolish ICE ActEnglish
15·4 days agoI know it’s not directly relevant to Congress, but the Minneapolis mayor outright said “I am not in favor of abolishing ICE” today.
Anyone who has read theory and applied to their worldview knows that class consciousness will naturally arise as the contradictions of capitalism continue to sharpen. I might be out ahead of some people are at, but I notice among my friends that what I say takes root and males more sense to them weeksnor months after the conversation.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
politics @lemmy.world•Norway Stunned After Machado Gifts Nobel Peace Prize Medal to TrumpEnglish
42·4 days agoWhy are you calling me blind? Why are you so closed minded about soemthibgbso inconsequential like “the precise amount of praise wants from each party”?
This rude behavior is ripped straight from The Everything App^TM
We all started somewhere! Nobody is immune to propaganda.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
politics @lemmy.world•Norway Stunned After Machado Gifts Nobel Peace Prize Medal to TrumpEnglish
2·4 days agoHe wants it from people who are useful to him. I’m not blind.
Look at how he treated Zelensky and Machado. They come in and suck up, but he doesn’t see them as useful.
Other leaders who openly dislike him (and he dislikes back, on a political level), such as Mamdani, Sheinbaum, and even Kim Jong Un, more easily get on his good side without sucking up (they sometimes throw a little praise his way, as you’ve observed).
When you take it too far it falls flat
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
politics @lemmy.world•Norway Stunned After Machado Gifts Nobel Peace Prize Medal to TrumpEnglish
2·4 days agoYeah sure either way he isn’t into it.
Even during the founding of the US there were abolitionists, anti-racists and what we would call today communist and anarchists. US history has been driven by the white supremacist’s agenda, but there has always been a strong push against it.
Totally
I think many ‘Americans’ do see the US as a bastion of freedom for refugees and people of all races. That has been the promoted image of the US, obviously we know the state doesn’t adhere to that idealized version but many people here do seem to see that image as the ‘true America’.
Right, many people do see it that way. Particularly with the resources and modern interpretations we have available in 2026, we can look back through history and see how that was a lie (or at least “propaganda” of some form). It’s fine if you want it to be true, but in reality the US constitution did not build a truly democratic government structure (this was by design). I think current events (beyond the Donald Trump presidencies) clearly illustrate that nothing short of a new constitutional convention will be able to resolve this.
If there were a new constitution, it would no longer be the “United States of America” as we know it today, of course, it would be something else entirely.
OrangeSlice@lemmy.mlto
politics @lemmy.world•Norway Stunned After Machado Gifts Nobel Peace Prize Medal to TrumpEnglish
41·4 days agoIt also isn’t effective, Trump doesn’t actually respect people who grovel toward him, especially if they aren’t useful to him.















The other hand of the issue is the Democrats have repeatedly failed to recognize and manage the necessary decline of capitalism. It’s “necessary” because capitalism had globalized and essentially run out of land and people too exploit.
Exploited countries will push (are pushing) back, and/or look for other options (China, etc). Because the Democratic party is a pro-capitalism party, they are unable to recognize this situation. Republicans recognize it and turn up the heat, both internally and externally. For a lot of (foolish) Americans, this looks like an appealing option.
The democrats could sweep 2028, but it means the snapback is going to be even more intense in 2032 when they fail to govern.