This is the follow-up post from https://lemmy.world/post/50041395
Edit: this crazy bitch got banned from multiple airlines. https://www.joemygod.com/2026/08/airline-bans-sky-evangelist-for-annoying-passengers/
If Jesus were on that plane bro would walk straight back to the tomb
This man is my spirit animal
He did well with “I dont need to answer your questions”
I think his silence in face of derangement spoke louder than that bible-beating lunatic
Indeed
If this person was Muslim or brown then they’d be dead or handcuffed to gurney in a hospital ICU.
Only white Christians are allowed to do this.
This is absolutely completely untrue. Especially since the woman was latino with a Spanish accent.
You know what. People probably don’t tell you this enough, but shut the fuck up.
Edit: I fully concede my point on my assumptions concerning her race and accent. That was my own prejudice working against me and I was unable to filter it in this comment. I apologize for my racial sensitivity.
However, I will not concede my point on how absolutely untrue comments statements are about Brown and Muslim people being treated differently in this particular scenario. And I will once again reiterate for that person to shut the fuck up.
We cannot vouch if she’s of Latino decent since we’re bad at telling that kind of stuff (she doesn’t look Latino at all, just a typical whit lady to us with a tan), but we can tell that’s very much not a Spanish accent.
Bthest is very much right, especially since Muslim, brown, and various other minorities have been removed from planes for far lesser to even just existing (did you magically forget the fucn racist executive order 13769 Muslim ban on planes they tried pushing in 2017??) no yeah she’s very much privileged and no we also wouldn’t feel safe with her on a plane or anyone else shouting/harassing/disturbing the peace.
We’re not sure if the guy was security or not but him trying to be respectful we’re guessing he either didn’t/couldn’t request security or thought he could handle the situation on his own. Either way there was extreme favoritism towards her being a white Christian (he probably didn’t want to escalate it himself because putting the airline/himself on a Christian hit list is horrible) especially with her trying to escalate the situation several times egging them in to being physical to her or provoking.
In any case tldr your wrong, her religion and skin color were deciding factors in their actions and she’s not Latino nor was that a Spanish accent. Mejor suerte la próxima vez, así que cállate la puta boca. :/
I’ll concede my original point. I was wrong about her race, nationality, and accent. Looking back, that was my own unchecked prejudice. I made an assumption based on how she looked and spoke, and I shouldn’t have. That’s on me.
That said, I think you’re doing something very similar when you confidently assert that she was treated differently because she was white and Christian. The video doesn’t establish that. It’s an inference about the motives of the airline staff, not evidence. You’re presenting speculation as though it’s a proven fact.
As for Executive Order 13769, that isn’t really relevant here. It was an executive order signed by Donald Trump restricting entry into the United States from several Muslim-majority countries. It was enormously controversial, challenged in court, and widely criticized as discriminatory. But it was an immigration policy, not a policy directing airlines to remove Muslims from domestic flights. Pointing to an unpopular executive order from an administration that many people already viewed as racially insensitive doesn’t demonstrate that race or religion were the deciding factors in this completely separate incident.
If your argument is simply that she should have been removed from the plane sooner because she was causing a disturbance, I can understand that position. But claiming she received preferential treatment because she was white and Christian requires evidence specific to this incident, not assumptions about the motivations of the people involved.
Edit: One more important point, because I think a lot of people get this confused:
The United States is not the Donald Trump administration. There are tens of millions of Americans who do not support what his administration is doing and actively oppose many of its policies, including me.
Please don’t take the actions of one administration and attribute them to the American people as a whole. The United States is a nation of over 330 million people with a wide range of political beliefs, and no single administration speaks for every American.
Not sure how you can say she’s not being treated better when there have been many people arrested/literally dragged/denied access but ok, she more than likely just got into another plane and stfu that time while (again) many others would’ve been banned from that air port or more likely arrested by air port police.
Regardless the full picture isn’t clear due to lack of public evidence except her video (unless the airline made a statement but we’re too lazy to look for it rn, typing this while rewatching one piece lol) so if you want to discuss further on her being escorted as calmly even though she was pointing out she totally didn’t have a gun or bomb (that right there is usually an instant tackle) we both would need more evidence on what actually went down with how the airline treated her. But from the video so far yeah she was treated far better than many others along with a long well documented history of other similar incidents (and some we’ve personally experienced like how while working at star bucks we had to kick out anyone soliciting, including religious stuff, however that was not including Christians (we kicked them out anyways idgaf)) it’s hard to believe she was treated as well as Alvin Jackson, Emmanuel Jean Joseph, Xavier Veal and 5 other people of color being kicked off an American Airlines plane with no valid reason, David Dao a Vietnamese physician being physically assaulted and dragged off a United Express plane, two unnamed muslim couple kicked off Delta Airlines, and many others. None of them were being disruptive or even a bother to anyone else and yet they get harassed, dragged out or worse assaulted. Instead they let the lady say her spoil then calmly walked her out while (again) she was trying to initiate confrontation several times. So sorry but we’d have to disagree on her being treated as unfairly as others when there’s a bit of a pattern.
Also yes, Executive Order 13769 was an immigration ban but overall it was treated and implemented as a blanket ban as Muslims and other minorities were affected heavily in usa as well. Damage was literally immediate with families torn apart, people detained for no reason, blocked even state by state as they were still not a citizen yet. So glad they finally stopped this whole charade but it also wasn’t the first time this stuff has happened, it’s been going on since 11/9/2001 (September 11th 2001) with many people being discriminated for being Muslim and/or for religious clothing. But even through it all we can still both easily agree it was super fucked. People needed help and usa was obligated to assist like all other able bodied countries and fail time and time again, calling themselves a nation of immigrants is a joke.
And to your PS: we were born in USA, the system failed us severely. We’ve been discriminated and harassed several time’s by strangers even religious groups for being either disabled or trans. We left USA right before Trump took office literally spending our entire life savings to get here in the EU and holy shit we’ve never felt safer than before. It’s night and day on how much usa has failed. Donald Trump is just everything the USA political powers and 1% was to afraid to say and now what? USA didn’t magically get shit When Trump got into office in 2016 it was already trash. It didn’t get saved when Biden got in it was still held in place in a stand still, and 2024 it definitely got worse since the dirty douche figured out how to fuck everyone over and get paid doing so. Anyone who says USA was great before Trump is privileged.
I’ll start with Alvin Jackson, Emmanuel Jean Joseph, and Xavier Veal. That case did, in fact, involve racial discrimination by the airline, and it was ultimately settled out of court. Those three men were initially removed from the plane over alleged offensive body odor, but after the situation was reviewed by airline personnel, they were allowed back on board. They were not screaming, yelling, or causing a disturbance. So while that case is real, it has nothing to do with the situation you’re describing. More importantly, the people who were removed complied with the crew’s instructions. It doesn’t lend much support to your argument.
The woman in this case, Whitney Lynn, was banned from flying on all airlines owned by that airline group, which I believe includes three or four carriers. She also wasn’t forcibly removed because she complied with the order to leave the aircraft. She may have been loud and belligerent, but she did not physically resist.
As for the executive order, it was not legally considered a blanket ban on Muslims. You’re applying that label based on your own interpretation rather than how it was ultimately treated in law.
You’re falling into the trap of steering the conversation toward a conclusion you already want to reach, in this case, condemning the Trump administration and portraying the United States as uniquely terrible. That’s not what we’re discussing here. Racial profiling exists. Not just in the United States, but virtually everywhere. Racist incidents happen in every country. Some receive extensive media coverage; many do not.
I’m well aware of my country’s shortcomings. However, the claim that people are generally afraid to walk the streets for their own safety is simply not an accurate description of everyday life in the United States. If believing that helps reinforce your view of America, that’s your prerogative. But it doesn’t make it true.
I’m sure there were many believers on that plane, and not one of them stood up to support her. That says a lot.
even if you are a believer, nobody should support that behavior, don’t be a douche
I hope the other airlines follow suit. Imagine her being in Hawaii and being stuck with no plane out there.
It seems that she has been banned from a few airlines now
Of course, this just feeds her victim mentality, but at least it keeps her away from other people
Maybe there is a list of preferrable airlines, I.e. the ones that banned her.
In good news: this crazy bitch got banned from multiple airlines. https://www.joemygod.com/2026/08/airline-bans-sky-evangelist-for-annoying-passengers/
Let her finish then I’d stand up and start preaching the other side from Satan’s point of view.
So she filmed this and probably put it on her web site. How about those people on the plane that she probably never asked to be filmed? Hopefully, at least some of them sue her to kingdom come.
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others.
–Matthew 6:5
Can’t even follow her own book…
Glad I wasn’t there, she’d be in a body bag.
/r/iamverybadass
Do we have a Lemmy equivalent yet?
It’s a super quick way to end up on a no-fly list. Even outside of the plane, which sane person attacks someone physically just for spreading a message they don’t like?
Even outside of the plane, which sane person attacks someone physically just for spreading a message they don’t like?
Based anti-fascists do.
If she is doing this, just imagine what awfulness they are doing outside of the plane, the world would not miss them. It’s not what she is is spreading. I dont give a damn if they worship a false God. But interrupting a peaceful flight, unforgivable sin. they’d get a warning. Then choke hol if they refused. Then staff can take us both of the plane. Im not bad ass, I’m broken and angry and no ammount of therapy can fix it.
You’d murder somebody on a plane for being annoying with proselytizing?
You’re more dangerous than she is (and I agree with her being removed from the plane), seek help
TIL proselytizing is a word!
crazy assholes bring out the worst in everyone.
Am getting help. Still want her dead. I’d give her a warning first. If they back down and stop. They live.
Edit: I see people are confused and I can see why. I was talking about this post: https://lemmy.world/post/50117911
A plane is a plane, with etiquette rules, not a debate podium. If you can’t behave in a way that doesn’t lead to delays in flight and makes the day of the attends hard, that is a you problem.
You can preach whatever BS you want on a street corner. I am not a captive audience, and I can walk right by.
In a jet, I am unable to merely leave.
I dont care what you want to preach. Find a different place to spew your vitriol.
https://lemmy.world/post/50117911
Just so it’s clear: I don’t support IDF. I’m saying that a country has the same right to apply their rules as an airline. I’m still perfectly aware that this will get downvoted to hell because lemmings don’t like it when leftist speech is suppressed but love when right-wing speech is and will not admit it.
I dont get it, did he delay a plane?
Did he start preaching to a captive audience who werent able to leave?
So you think delaying a plane is the only rule around speech that exists in the world? No other laws exist?
Or are you only able to compare exactly identical situations?
Doesn’t really matter. I know everyone will now be playing “find 100 differences” with those two situations bringing up one irrelevant thing after another while completely missing the only thing that matters: in both cases it was legal to suppress speech, lemmy reacted differently because in one case they agree with the speaker and in the other case they don’t.
No, I think bob vylen or whatever his name is keeps his speech to his shows and the media and doesn’t subject unwilling people to his opinions when they have no escape.
You don’t get to stand on your soapbox on other peoples dime, if you’re holding up a plane taking off it doesn’t matter if you’re doing it by speaking your mind or taking a shit in the isle. The airline has the right to kick you the fuck off
Yep, another irrelevant difference. Exactly as predicted. Thanks.
So you think delaying a plane is the only rule around speech that exists in the world? No other laws exist?
What an asinine response. Of course the other commenter does not think this. Nobody does.
Hmm. You should probably go back to lisp. Don’t take this personally but you’re objectively, measurably wretched at the hot takes gig.
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This has nothimg to do with left or right. Bringing Jesus’ actual teaching is if anything leftist itself What this is about is that one passengers violated the terms of service of the airline, was obnoxious towards others caused a delay in flight operations and made the work for the flight crew just that much harder for egoistic self centred reasons. If someone had done the same while preaching the socialist revolution my ooinion on it would be very much the same.
Have you clicked the link? We both agree that anyone preaching anything in a plane should be removed. What about the other story? Is stopping pro-Palenstinian artists who was chanting “Death to IDF” from entering Germany a violation of his free speech rights or not?
Calling for death is not a right in Germany, is it?
Yes, so we agree both decisions are legal and valid. Yet lemmings are mad about one decision and not the other. Hence my meme.
Matthew 6:5 New International Version
“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others."
I’m perfectly fine with you citing bible here.
Yet she multiplied her promiscuity, remembering the days of her youth, when she had prostituted herself in the land of Egypt and lusted after their lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of stallions. So you revisited the indecency of your youth, when the Egyptians caressed your bosom and pressed your young breasts.…
calling this a free speech issue is disgusting and you know it.
Which one of those?
OK I’LL SPELL IT OUT IN SMALL WORDS SO MAYBE YOU CAN COMPREHEND:
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BOTHER PEOPLE ON THE PLANE.
simple enough? fucks sake. how would you feel if someone started a call to pray for Mohammed? would you sit there quietly while they did their thing?
no you fucking wouldn’t
Dude, chilax. I’m not saying this lady should be allowed to preach on a plane. I’m saying the airline has the right to remove her and Germany has the right not to let in people that chant “Death, death to the IDF,” Lemmy reacted differently to both post.
Now you will start looking for differences between those situations but you will fail to prove that one was legal and the other wasn’t. The only difference will be that you like one speaker but not the other.
Dude, get fucked.
. I’m saying that a country has the same right to apply their rules as an airline.
you’re confusing unrelated things in order to make a futile point because <reasons>
these aren’t related in any way shape or form. it’s completely ‘legal’ and logical to shut this shrieking hag down on the air plane, and it’s still hypocritical of germany to censor speech critical of israel. these things aren’t connected in any way.
you’re just full of garbage
It’s the venue that everyone has a problem with. You can’t be serious with this post right.
DEPORTING someone From a country is the EXACT same Thing as KICKING someone Off a Plane!
-You!
Completely missing the point.
- You!
You’re reducing both situations and loosing any nuance to make your point.
It’s because I’m not making a point about the nuances.
I can use your same argument to say that apples and oranges are the exact same fruit.
You can definitely use both apples and oranges to make a point about fruits.
haha did they hurt your feefees when the religious bitch got escorted off the airpwane?
No, if you keep reading you will realize it’s actually the other way around.
Wow, what a sad little man
Would be amusing to see the look on her face if a Muslim sat next to her on a plane and started preaching. Or a Hindu. Or a Christian from a different sect.
All these special snowflakes need to fuck right off and let the rational people live their lives in peace.
No hate to my Muslim brothers and sisters, but under absolutely no circumstances would I recommend preaching Islam on an airplane…
I hear what you are saying, but that’s a matter of perspective. I tend to be no more or less scared of Muslims than I am Christians. Talk to a lot of people in South East Asian and they can tell you some tales that don’t make mainstream news about Buddhists. I’m sure there’s a bunch of lore out there covering Hindus as well.
Oh 100%, there are fanatics in literally any organized groups of human beings. That said, my previous comment was but a shallow poke at the fact that Americans are probably going to assume anyone preaching Islam on their plane is a terrorist.
Yeah I know. Sorry to have stepped on your… Joke isn’t the right word… Social commentary?
If I see this on a plane, I’m preaching the gospel of Linux even louder.
And verily he said unto the assembled flock: “I use Arch by the way!” and there was much rolling of eyes and snorts of derision from the unbelievers.
“Ed is the standard text editor.”
Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
When I use an editor, I don’t want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless help screens and cursor positioning code! I just want an EDitor!! Not a “viitor”. Not a “emacsitor”. Those aren’t even WORDS!!! ED! ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!
TEXT EDITOR.
When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their “edlin” on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi? No. Emacs? Surely you jest. They chose the most karmic editor of all. The standard.
Ed is for those who can remember what they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use Emacs. If you are an Emacs, you should not be vi. If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED “VISUAL” EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
I had some Debian pamphlets printed out for when I had a bunch of proselytizers coming by. Some would say we can’t take that others would just be like uhhhh thank you. Either way it busted ended up with two pamphlets in the recycle bucket.
To join the Church of Emacs, you need only pronounce the Confession of the Faith:
There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels.
Nah, Sabaton at full volume. The Last Stand, specifically. No religious based complain about that one probably ;)
I’d put Slayer to see their reaction.
Long while back I remember reading a news article about a middle eastern dude who was kicked off a plane because the passengers next to him saw him writing something scary looking.
He was a math researcher.
Well… I mean… Who knows what sort of crazy demon he was trying to summon with that spell he was writing?
I’m from Australia, that would scare and confuse a number of the locals here too. We are also pretty damn racist.
Just nowhere near as religious.
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any of praying of “pagan gods” always bunches up the panties of evangelicals.
And of course she’s the victim. I hate these people to the core.
It’s always the demons when people disagree. Spiritual warfare. All that cliche crap. She had the freedom to speak, but not the freedom from consequences. Nobody wants to be stuck in a plane with a religious extremist if any kind.
So yeah I agree 100% I have nothing but hatred for these kinds of people
Put them underground.
I hope she’s on a no-fly list now.
She is a religious extremist. She should be on the same list as all the others.
Respectfully, godsplaining is not the same as highjacking a plane. Still annoying as hell though and I’m glad they kicked her off the flight
Yup, kind of an explosive difference…
She knows what she’s doing. This is the desired outcome. It’s not about preaching the gospel. It’s about supporting the narrative that Christians are persecuted, even if you have to deliberately generate the appearance of persecution through ridiculous behavior.
I think a good way to handle these might be to get everyone on the plane to start chanting “troll” in unison at her. By doing so:
- You directly call out the disruptive and bad-faith behavior, rather than attacking them based on their message.
- You make it so they have no useful footage for their socials. Post a video of one person confronting you? Easy to claim victimhood based on religion. Post a video of a whole plane calling you a troll? You look like the bad guy.
- You make it a group effort that people can participate in with little risk or effort. It takes much less courage to join a chant of, “troll! troll! troll!” than it does to personally and individually call them out. Plus, chants are just fun.
- You completely drown them out. Let her bitch all she wants. No one will hear her over a hundred people shouting “troll” in unison.
I agree with all but point 2. She’d salivate at having an entire plane “persecuting” her. Looking like the victimized minority in a society against you is the fiction that these morons are trying to portray. They want to feel like that last few good Christians in a world turned against them while ignoring that the vast majority of our society believe more or less the same shit as them or at the very least, treat Christianity as the default in the US culturally.
The basic door to door proselyting strategy (which has a 0% success rate) to make sure they don’t leave the cult, then…
Yes. It reinforces the idea that the world is corrupt, fallen, that it won’t accept them. That only the cult will accept them. It reinforces the separation of cult and world, and makes cult the only attainable form of community.
Community is the cult’s greatest weapon. Gangs, religions, the manosphere, neo-Nazi… so many groups work by finding the isolated and disempowered, offering them a community that will adopt them (conditionally). Isolated people swallow the conditions readily in order to have a community, even an unhealthy one. Humans are social creatures.
Getting your members to do behaviours you know will see them rejected (like door-knocking) reinforces the indoctrination that only your cult can offer community. Even if they have doubts or discomfort, they won’t leave.
In my wayward youth I was heavily into church and went to a conference where you went to classes about evangelising and apologetics (arguing your beliefs) and then approaching people out in public to talk about Jesus. The success rate is low but it’s not zero.
Some of my strongest convictions against Christianity come from learning they told flat out lies in the apologetics classes and used lots of logical fallicies.
When I read your post I heard Stewie Griffin in my head say “Flat out lies and logical fallacies? Well you don’t say!”
