After the gestapo shot and killed Renee Nicole Good on January 7 during a fascist attack on Minneapolis, hegemonic media reacted by blaming Good for her death, saying it "was her own doing” and attacking her character by labeling her “a perpetrator” and “trained agitator.”
Quick question:
If being in front of or near a car and it supposedly driving towards you is sufficient reason to kill someone in self-defense, what’s to stop someone standing in front of a moving ICE car and shooting the occupants in self-defense?
Rules for thee but not for me
They know it. Accusing fascists of hypocrisy accomplishes nothing, because they’re not playing by the same rules as us. There is no logic to it, just projection of power. The more the strongman and the regime lies, the more power they have. They’re not lying to be believed, but to say “What are you gonna do about it?”
The argument that they are going to use is that ICE is law enforcement and disobeying their orders, whether conflicting or not, is unlawful and thus you deserve whatever happens to you
some real tread on me harder daddy shit
some real tread on me harder daddy shit
Fascists gonna fascist.
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no no, you’re entirely right.
I will point out that the “tread on me harder daddy” phrase doesn’t necessarily mean they knowingly condone it (treading on “us”), only that that is objectively what it is from the outside regardless of how they perceive or intend it
but the distinction in their thought process is important in understanding their actions
But you can not identify them, also being scared makes you do a split second decision apparently
The threat of violence that will be carried out in retaliation by the other agents of the state, and the fact that cops (ICE included) are legally allowed to do whatever they want.
Good logic. Next time someone is standing in front of your car you should floor it.
The total absence of human decency in these right wingers is appalling. And the fact that most of them are Christians - a religion that claims to be all about love and compassion - is a contradiction so monumental, I wonder how these people can sleep at night.
They are not christians, they use christianism as a shield and for whitewashing their actions. Same for zionists, they use judaism as a shield and to be able to shame call anti-semits to those that criticize them.
“No true scotsman” fallacy.
You’re using the No True Scotsman Fallacy fallacy. Because Scotsman has a definition. There are people who are not Scotsmen. You can’t point at an Italian who’s lived in Rome their whole life, with no Scottish blood, relatives, or connection with Scotland in anyway and insist they are a Scotsman.
Yes and no.
Fascists delight in acting in bad faith and don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe. For example, fascists often claim to be pro-free speech or that they love democracy. If I told you fascists weren’t really free speech advocates or pro-democracy, you would likely not cite the no true Scotsman fallacy.
This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.
You’re talking to a 49 year old German.
When I was about 15 or 16, I once naïvely asked my grandmother why noone resisted Hitler. She got very angry, told me I knew nothing about the time, and how much good Hitler had done, and then told me to shut up.
She suddenly turned from this loving person into a stubborn, old, bitter and aggressive woman, showed a side I had never seen of her. So she was a counter example to not one, but two of your claims:
- She was a real believer in fascism, and remained that even decades after the catastrophe fascism had plunged Germany and the world into.
- She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.
And she was a woman who claimed to be of a strong Christian faith. I’m well aware that not all of her circumstances translate 100% to modern day America, however I’m still inclined to think that most American Christian fascists also truly believe in both fascism and Christianity, just like my grandmother did.
In other words, I stand by what I said - “They are not christians” is a no true scotsman fallacy used to try and manufacture a distance between Christianity and fascism that does not exist. These people are both, Christians and fascists, and saying otherwise is a bad attempt to absolve religion.
She emphatically was not pro free speech and would absolutely not tolerate me saying anything against her belief.
The American Right has this weird dysfunction where they have right wing beliefs but also as is common on the Right put enormous importance into tradition and the national founding myth which for us includes a bunch of values that are otherwise contrary to Right Wing beliefs. So they have to pay lip service to Free Speech without really believing it. They frequently repeat phrases from the revolution like Freedom & Liberty then act uncomfortable with the reality of Liberty. Celebrate overthrowing our King but be happy when the President starts to accrue King like powers.
As I mentioned at the end of my comment:
This being said, a lot of Christianity has been like this for a long time. So, meh.
No, they’re Christians. Sorry.
No, they think they are christians. There’s a difference.
A religion is defined by the behaviors and beliefs of it’s followers, they absolutely are Christians. “Being Christian” just doesn’t mean what you want think it does.
Doesn’t the Bible say something about only god knowing what’s in people’s hearts? And that only he can judge?
Sorry that it embarrasses you, but they absolutely are Christians.
Copy paste:
Related term: secular Christianity and cultural Chrisianity… Especially popular in America.
People identify as Christian, cling to the bible, cross, Jesus on the cross, religious symbology as totems or symbols which demonstrate they belong. But they don’t actually believe in God or what’s in the bible. It’s mainly virtue signaling or a dog whistle for white supremacy. In fact most of their core beliefs contradict many of the core tenents of Christianity.
Given fascists delight in acting in bad faith, don’t actually believe half of what they claim to believe, it’s not surprising that the religious right are often fascists. They experience no discomfort, because they don’t actually believe in Christ’s teachings
it s incredible how u can say that and not recognize the fact that charlie kirk was so memed to death that even are influenced by it. But to you im sure one was justified and not the other. if a lesbian karren think she has the authority to directly disobey law enforcement and put herself in danger for an issue that doesnt even concern her should be something to celebrate as brave, to me it s litteraly mental illness
charlie kirk was so memed to death
I don’t think that’s how he died. Maybe watch the video again?
I WISH that was a thing for the likes of him.
The bullets were engraved with memes…
I think you mean the shell casing and not the bullets. It was more like an anti-fascist blessing.
Apparently his body rejected the blessing because he was fascist.
You are correct, I meant the casings, not the shells.
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for Solyanka.
so the best way to die like a morron is to directly disobey law enforcement while making a threat to them. The sucess rate is so high that we even invented suicide by police as an expression. you can try at home so 5 redditor will talk about you for one day
Wow, that’s an interesting part of the law. Can you show me in state or federal statute where obstruction of justice or resisting arrest are crimes punishable by summary execution?
See, I always thought that the proper thing for functioning law enforcement agencies was to arrest alleged criminals so they could be tried in court, ensuring they have due process as afforded to them by the constitution.
Sounds like law enforcement in general are just roving lawless gangs of criminals that need to be put down like the rabid dogs that they are.
The fact that you can not distinguish a pig kirk with bad morale from Renee who seems to be a good person is astounishing. I think pain is the only teacher for ppl like you to understand what is empathy
Truly depraved and a sign of the end of times IMO… Sad days ahead…
This is just starting, and this story is going to be with us for a long time. Soon they will return from their “investigation,” and declare that The ICE Killer is innocent of all charges, and is back on the job somewhere. Announcing it is proof of their transparency. That will cause a huge outcry across the world, exacerbated by the fact that the MAGA government will be unrepentant and immovable.
Then Minnesota will charge him with murder, and demand he be turned over, and ICE will refuse. An arrest warrant will be issued, and he’ll be found operating in some other city in a Blue state, and the governor and mayor of that state will work together to arrest and extradite him to Minnesota, which MAGA will fight at every step.
Then there will be a state trial, which MAGA will resist, and punishment, which will be appealed, all the way to the Supreme Court. In fact, SCOTUS may be consulted at multiple points of this process, stretching the time out even longer.
This is going to be a long, complicated slog.
Then Minnesota will charge him with murder
I think you’re giving Minnesota alot of undue credit.
If the Feds don’t charge him, Minnesota will. He’s not getting away with murder that easily.
People thought George Floyd’s killer would get away with it, too, but he’s sitting in prison right now.
That was also a local cop and not an agent of a federal agency that Trump/Republicans have expressed unconditional support towards. I already saw video of a local mayor explaining they could arrest agents but ICE has more guns then them.
Don’t forget how much they were clutching their pearls about actual trained agitator Charlie Kirk and their crusade against anyone who didn’t cry hard enough about it.
Here’s an idea; what if the fascist US government doesn’t send out psychotic nazi goons out into society to terrorize everyone, so situations like this wouldn’t happen in the first place? And then blame it all on the victim.
You surely don’t expect anything less? The propaganda machine never sleeps.
These scum people will have the audacity to be surprised when the guillotine comes crashing down on their necks
I would need a list of all crimes punishable by immediate death penalty through a cop.
That picture they’re showing says otherwise.
The body cam video makes her look pretty bad though.
How so? That she was a decent human being pissed off at ICE. If that makes you look bad then most people on Lemmy must also look pretty bad.
there is no body cam footage
Technically correct (it was from an officer’s phone) but also, a very stupid thing to say. https://x.com/mattvanswol/status/2009695108611092611
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I hope you get shot like renee. Just wrong place wrong time. Bam. Dead. Oops.
Who fucking cares right?
Your life was worthless and you won’t be missed. You voted for this so it’s all good right?
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Go fuck yourself. You’re the shit stain of society.
nice argument you got there
You mean they wouldn’t have shot you when you were turning around on the street and leaving the area? You sure about that?
You sure about that?
The world will be a better place when every fascist apologist like you is dead. Die in a fentanyl overdose already you worthless piece of shit.
fentanyl ? realy ? what s that pussy ass wish ?
Ia it impossible for the majority to vote for a fascist? Your defence does not match the claim youre trying to disprove.
did ppl vote form trump knowing what was his politics on illegal immigrations ? How him applying the politics he promise is fascist ? can you compare those to a country you deemed fascist and a country you wont call fascist ?
How him applying the politics he promise is fascist ?
He promised Fascist politics.
bigmamoth likely doesn’t care but if any bystanders which to know what is and isn’t fascism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
Have you ever had to preemptively prepare and plan to avoid being shot in the streets by immigrants or is it only for immigration enforcement that you have to be careful? If your plan for ICE is to comply with every order to avoid death, does that feel safer?
Define fascism.
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“why don’t you think this is fascism!” “Well, what would you consider fascism?” “I don’t have to prove anything!”
Ok. clearly you’re not worth the effort of engaging. Go buy a dictionary and try again.
litteraly quoting the post and saying i disagree with the statement is not equivalent to me claiming it. i wasn expecting a lot but basic comprehension seem my expectation are stil to high
What the heck are you talking about. This reply is not related to my comment at all.
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Wait, who made him the villain?
Oh that’s right. He did. When he shot the woman in the head.
Repeatedly.
well yeah, ICE are the villains so
